[B]Your post is an indication of just how far some WCK people have failed to evolve. Luckily, many aren’t like that, including those in the VTM in my experience.
People who are confident in themselves and their abilities do not generally cause any problems.
Roll happy and safe.[/B]
What the hell!!! Who the **** are you to say that to me!!! I said some people! did i mention any lineages? I just said SOME schools will take it the wrong way!!! Did i say YM, HFY, YKS, ect… NO!!! NO lineages!!! I was saying some WC guys out there (becuase WC is a fighting art) would take it as a challenge. Especially if you were in a different linage.
See, You don’t even know me Rene so stop thinking your the Sh!t on WC becuase your not!!! I don’t get ****ed really easily… But whatever… I’ll remember your comments in the future… see ya around
You really should read your own post and think them through.
<Snip> How the HFY contingent can imagine they have any credibility and continue to post after missing such a convenient and open opportunity to show their stuff and debate theory bemuses me.
You somehow feel that HFY members owe you something or are seeking your approval? Are you implying that if a lineage did not show up to your event they do not gain “credibility”? in your eyes? does this seem a bit arrogant to you? LOL!
Hi Sifu Chango,
LOL! this John Weiland is something else. We should review everything we’ve heard, because he has been fed a lot of misinformation. A mistaken impression could cost.
Originally posted by John Weiland
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FWIW, yes, three of Chris’ skilled and friendly students came and enjoyed the day in April which had been preceded by months of build-up here on KFO.
The ego free event (well, we axed 10 bucks to cover food and beverages), which someone else suggested and I organized, was actually inspired as a way to let the HFY contingent show themselves as part of Wing Chun society since so many had never heard of them or seen them.
Too bad that while 50 folks from all over and more than ten lineages came to participate, no HFY parties came. No-show Roger Rollinghand was specifically invited as was Hendrik Santo who came and showed us what a remarkable individual he is. Attendees included folks from all over California and as far away as New York and Boston, not to mention AZ represented by the forum’s esteemed senior member, Joy Chaudhuri.
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I concur that everything you wrote here is true.
On behalf of Roger, I would like to offer that in his communications with me, he did indeed consider coming. Circumstances, however, did not work out for him to attend. I maintain hope that there will be another opportunity.
How the HFY contingent can imagine they have any credibility and continue to post after missing such a convenient and open opportunity to show their stuff and debate theory bemuses me.
A few thoughts, (offered in general and not only to you) both in the spirit of objectivity, and in hopes that no one need feel overly defensive because of the phrasing or interpretation of this comment.
Just as some of our own group members, and many members of other groups did not attend, there are an unlimited number of possible and legitimate reasons why no Hung Fa Yi people happened to be in attendance. Since we cannot read the minds and hearts of everyone, let alone access to their personal schedules and things-to-do-lists, we would be on shaky ground in making assumptions or implications as to why.
If I may make the analogy of inviting guests to my home, I would not like to question them or their motives for declining. Moreover, I would not wish for them to perceive as if being somehow punished for their regrets. Especially so, if my invitation was a warm and sincere one, and such that I would wish for another opportunity of their company in the future.
I can only imagine that people who train in Hung Fa Yi prefer to be considered as individuals every bit as much as you or I do, rather than have real or imagined transgressions of others pinned on them. If my brother commits a felony, call me self centered, but for danged sure I don't want to hang for it.
I have some good friends and associates who happen to practice Hung Fa Yi. Some of them are my neighbors (in a relative sense at least), my co-workers, and have even been my Wing Chun training partners. When I label them, I label them first and foremost by their names, not by affiliations with political parties, companies present or past, or even the flavor of their Wing Chun.
As for clichés that spring to mind …
Perceptions, whether accurate or not, [i]are[/i] reality. At least in terms of how people respond to them. If people think we have ill intentions toward them for whatever reason, that is precisely how they will respond to us. Moreover, if people assume some of my brethren (for example) have ill intentions toward them, they will often enough assume wrongly that others of us do too. :(
The Golden Rule is tried and true. IMHO, it is good policy to make every effort to extend it to others as much as wishing for others to extend it to us personally.
I have yet to see where two acts of rashness equal an act of prudence, even on the internet.
Well, just some of my thoughts and concerns. Maybe I just think and worry like a girl or something. <sigh>
Back to our regularly scheduled bridge building now.
For Kathy and those who work so hard for peace in the forum:
“Could we look into the hearts concealed from us, we should often pity where we hate, love where we think we can never forgive, and admire where we curl the lip with scorn and indignation. - unknown”
originally posted by John Weiland
“If you want answers, ask the HFY accountants how much the marketing has boosted sales. Don’t you wish we’d come up with their marketing plan first? Not to worry, we can still borrow the marketing and claim we did it first in keeping with the spirit of things.”
originally posted by John Weiland
“As it stands, the burden of proof remains on the HFY forum members who have extended their claims. Think of the get-together as the opportunity to convince more others.”
originally posted by John Weiland
“I’ll consider going to the Garrett Gee school after the get-together. But, from the HFY posts I’ve seen up to this point, I wouldn’t cross the street to find out more.”
John,
Just to reinforce Sifu Chango’s point let me make this as clear as I possibly can HFY owes you absolutely nothing! The answers and information you have to date are a courtesy not an obligation. Your ego leads you to believe you are the holder of credibility but rest assured the strain of carrying that ego has left you ill prepared to deal with reality.
I can not speak for my brothers and sisters as I don’t know why they did not attend your gathering. As for myself an invitation from you sounds too disingenuous to bother with. Having a gathering doesn’t make the host gracious, but a gracious host makes the gathering.
Thank you Savi for using this public forum to announce the next public seminar given by GM Gee.
Weiland Wrote >>The ego free event (well, we axed 10 bucks to cover food and beverages), which someone else suggested and I organized, was actually inspired as a way to let the HFY contingent show themselves as part of Wing Chun society since so many had never heard of them or seen them.
I highly doubt that this events sole inspiration was a way for allowing HFY practitioners to show off their stuff. Because no HFY members were able to participate in your event you use it as an opportunity to talk trash which is not unexpected. Your pre-event posts on this forum and antogonistic attitudes towards HFY probably had something to do with the non-participation. Maybe KJ should give a seminar in relations building before having your next HFY coming out party.
Weiland Wrote >>Too bad that while 50 folks from all over and more than ten lineages came to participate, no HFY parties came. No-show Roger Rollinghand was specifically invited as was Hendrik Santo who came and showed us what a remarkable individual he is. Attendees included folks from all over California and as far away as New York and Boston, not to mention AZ represented by the forum’s esteemed senior member, Joy Chaudhuri
There are lots of things that are too bad including the negativity that the same individuals continue to shed on HFY. With all the crap that was written by Hendrik, Joy (aka forum’s esteemed senior member - aka HFY hater), yourself and others in Ben Der’s school regarding HFY there is no way that the event could be considered “ego free” from my perspective.
Weiland Wrote>> How the HFY contingent can imagine they have any credibility and continue to post after missing such a convenient and open opportunity to show their stuff and debate theory bemuses me.
How you, a real WC nobody, can actually sit there and judge HFY as a whole bemuses me. GM Gee has given several seminars over the last few years with people attending from all over the country and the world for that matter and I don’t recall too many people from Ken’s school there. Does this mean your lineage has less credibility?
I really would like to go but I will not be able to attend this siminar. however I will there in spirit and offer my complete support! I will guarentee that it will an enlightening experience for all that can make it. I hope those that
have questions about HFY will be able to attend one of the up comming events to get answers and take part in the sharing of HFY’s wisdoms offered through it’s practice. I think we all can agree that there is no teacher like experience. So that being said we must keep in mind that there is really only a few appropriate responses to the original post and the future announcements of such events. Those responses would be
I will be there! etc…
I would like to make but I cannot make it etc…
I don’t want to know more etc…
If your answer is #3. or in that same theme we understand. But then I have to ask Why did you view this thread in the first place? and what are your intentions? What do you wish to acoomplish by your post? As with anything some people cannot see the value of HFY and some people view the training of HFY as a great oppertunity to see a real treasure of Shaolin. Some are interested it just finding out exactly what HFY is or isn’t. We all understand this so please don’t waste others time with attacks and insults and half witted judgements based on who showed up here or there and who didn’t etc…
it is a simple case of “this and that” “THIS” is a great oppertunity for HFY training being offered to the public! I hope many can make it and will enjoy the oppertunity being offered. Anything out side of “this” well you know is just “that” and has nothing to do with “this” announcement. So if you could take “that” else where it would be for the sake of all of us. ROFLOL! Maybe now I sound as far out there as some of the “HFY haters” on this forum.
I honestly would like to see some of the “haters” realize that HFY is not a threat to them. HFY just is! and no matter how much they attack. HFY will still be here as strong and as deep as true as ever! The more others become edjucated on what is HFY. weather others agree with HFY knowlege or not it will be clear how rediculous the less informed attackers seem. I can only tell you gents don’t fear what you do not know. Find out more about it then debate on those particular points if you don’t agree. So until you actually find out. you will just “Haters” and like all “Hater” you remain to be the least informed while feeling threatened. You know Suffering!
Chango
For the younger ladies and gents of the forum.
Keep in mind one should not hate when one can participate!
“What the hell!!! Who the **** are you to say that to me!!!”
Whao there young bison. Settle down. Take a deep breath. I wasn’t talking about you, only your post.
Who am I to say what I say? Who are you to say the things you say? Same thing: posters on a message board. No more, no less.
“I said some people! did i mention any lineages?”
Did I say you did?
“I just said SOME schools will take it the wrong way!!!”
And I AGREED with you. And I commented on how unfortunate that was.
“Did i say YM, HFY, YKS, ect… NO!!! NO lineages!!!”
I noticed that. Did you notice me noticing?
“I was saying some WC guys out there (becuase WC is a fighting art) would take it as a challenge. Especially if you were in a different linage.”
And again, I AGREED with you. (Though it has nothing to do with WCK being a fighting art, but more to do with ego and appearance).
“See, You don’t even know me Rene so stop thinking your the Sh!t on WC becuase your not!!!”
And you don’t know me.
“I don’t get ****ed really easily… But whatever… I’ll remember your comments in the future… see ya around”
Whatever dude. You decided to read my post completely wrong, then become upset and attack me personally. That has nothing to do with me. So chill, and maybe go figure out why.
<<“What the hell!!! Who the **** are you to say that to me!!!”>>Train
A religious person is one who is trying to live his life the best, the most total way he can; in the most alert way that he can, he is trying. And he is not interfering with anybody’s life, not even by having an opinion.
In WCK, we have a “SNT”. In Tao, the way that can be told of it is not an unvarying way.
Thank you for all the welcome words of wisdom Roger, KJ, Chango and others. Looking forward to an excellent seminar.
Again, for anyone needing assistance with any portion of their logistics during their duration in town for the seminar please contact the Az kwoon asap.
Date & Location:
Meng’s Martial Arts of Arizona
3029 N. Alma School Rd. Suite 218
Chandler, AZ 85224
Saturday, 11 October 2003 9:00 AM – 4:00 PM
Sunday, 12 October 2003 10:00 AM – 5:00 PM
$100 for Members and $150 for Non-Members
(prior to)
$125 for Members and $180 for Non-Members
(at the door)
For more information contact:
Meng’s Martial Arts of Arizona
3029 N. Alma School Rd. Suite 218
Chandler, AZ 85224
(480) 820-2428 – phone
(480) 820-0222 – fax www.mengsofaz.com sifu@mengsofaz.com
It may be worth adding that the Workshop will be presented by Sifu Gee. Since it seems that so many people have so many questions about Hung Fa Yi, this represents a great chance to get information directly from him.
I am looking forward to seeing you all out there in sunny Chandler (my plane ticket is all set!). Especially since Rochester in The Fall/Winter months is best when viewed from AZ (maybe that is just my age talking…) Best wishes until then.
ajk [/B]
Many a thanks, Sisuk Kalish! I should have noticed that I did not mention Master Gee in the original post, I am so embarassed for not seeing that… I look with great enthusiasm towards this coming seminar. I believe this will be the first ever seminar focusing on HFY’s Chan roots and methods, and quite possibly we will learn how these methods reinforce the passing of the system too! Further clarifications and deeper training into this (HFY) unique perspective of seeing all things through Time, Space and Energy will also be sought after for sure.
This past weekend’s seminar at MengsofAZ with Master Meng proved to be quite an eye opener for many regarding Chan as well as covering our SNT/SLT curriculum - two years worth of training in two days… to be certain we got a mere taste of master/disciple-level training! Bruises and all… tough stuff…
Also, I would like to note that there will be a banquet during the weekend of the seminar as well as a book signing session for those who would like all 3 authors’ autographs on their copy of the book. Truly this will be quite a treat as Master Gee, Master Meng and Master Loewenhagen will be present for this historical event. As I understand, many people from the SF headquarters, the VTM headquarters and members from its branches will be in attendance as well. The students of Meng’s Martial Arts of Arizona will definitely accomodate as many people as possible.
If I may ask, will anyone from this forum be attending the seminar, or visiting the Phoenix area during that weekend? It would be a great opportunity to meet you as well as you meeting Grandmaster Gee, Master Meng, and my sifu if you never have before.
I was just thinking that since this thread sort of started off with a testimonial from Mr. Mckinnon (which was appreciated), I thought I would add a link here from the VTM website to the other testimonials in hopes of offering a broader perspective of the attendees:
<<I had never understood Kiu Sau but I didn’t really see the point. I always thought that if I was ever in a confrontation I could go straight into Chi Sau. Now, I understand the need for Chi Sau, if at all comes from Kiu Sau. You can go straight into Saan Da if you know Kiu Sau; Chi Sau doesn’t always connect to Saan Da. Chi Sau for me now is a back up tool, you can use it to get back on track. Now I have a better understanding of training methodology.>> - Mike Davis
Now is also the time to plan to join Grand Master Gee for the 9th Public seminar and workshop. This 3 day event will take place at the end of October 2003 and is sure to be another in a long line of detailed informative and educational Hung Fa Yi functions. All those interested in participating in this event are encourage to contact the Hung Fa Yi Headquarters directly for more detailed information. This event will enjoy the same care and nurturing giving to all other events in which Grand Master Gee is a participant but will also have the added bonus of taking place in beautiful Brazil, South America. An estimated 40 local wck practitioners will be on hand for this first international HFY event and there is still room for those people interested in traveling and experiencing HFY in an international setting.
Best wishes for a great seminar, and hopefully everyone who attends will not only have fun with the gung-fu, but will get to enjoy Gee sifu’s and each other’s company, trading stories, exchanging culture, and making friends.
