thanks
yeah the form was only finished for a week when i performed it. so it was bad. but the form is lohan 18? interesting. thanks.
Shaolinlueb
What are the other forms taught at your school?
Just curious since you seem to do similar sets to mine. 
some basic long fist, some cha, and eagle claw.
ok, i have to bring this thread back form the dead.
oasis, iron_silk, Shaolin Master, or K.Brazier
do any of you have a video of the lohan 18 hands at all?
it would be a huge help
cheers
adam
Shaolinleub
It is kind of funny…the only “Cannon Fist” I learn was from “My Jong Lohan” style and it was obvious because of a certain move repeated (i.e. fist upward to the sky)
Your Cannon #1 = Babu lian huan - I personally didn’t see it until someone showed a clip of the two man version and I instantly recognize since I do a similar version of it…I think you can see it on my school’s video section (part of it that is…)
Your Cannon #2 = Lohan 18 Hand - I personally learned this two man and solo afterwards. In my opinion it was an easier two man set but your solo looks way fancier than mine did…and I kind of forgotten it by now…
…so I finally answer your question I swear I’ve seen it somewhere on the web before unforunately that was long time ago and I no longer have the link BUT… I swear I saw it in one of the Lee Koon Hung Open Ceremony performances so…commence digging…SUCCESS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=991e3tchIxc
you would be the guy starting from the right.
Hope this what you were looking for!
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;625166]some basic long fist, some cha, and eagle claw.[/QUOTE]
thanks for answering my question…I forgot to thank you earlier (only a little over a year late)
I finally started learning some Cha this year (traditional version i.e. not wushu) finished #4 a while ago and just finished #5 last night!!!
at I thought #4 was a killer (for a person my size and lack of flexibility) and I can’t get into the nice low stance like you can…but then #5 came around BOY was I in for some hurting…
not that i will be performing these sets…just something to work on…maybe one day when I finally lose 20lbs and practice my stances really hard without killing my knees
[QUOTE=iron_silk;725536]It is kind of funny…the only “Cannon Fist” I learn was from “My Jong Lohan” style and it was obvious because of a certain move repeated (i.e. fist upward to the sky)
Your Cannon #1 = Babu lian huan - I personally didn’t see it until someone showed a clip of the two man version and I instantly recognize since I do a similar version of it…I think you can see it on my school’s video section (part of it that is…)
Your Cannon #2 = Lohan 18 Hand - I personally learned this two man and solo afterwards. In my opinion it was an easier two man set but your solo looks way fancier than mine did…and I kind of forgotten it by now…
…so I finally answer your question I swear I’ve seen it somewhere on the web before unforunately that was long time ago and I no longer have the link BUT… I swear I saw it in one of the Lee Koon Hung Open Ceremony performances so…commence digging…SUCCESS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=991e3tchIxc
you would be the guy starting from the right.
Hope this what you were looking for![/QUOTE]
THANKS Iron Silk. I do recognize all the moves. im surprised i didnt see it when i was there. :rolleyes: then again it was hot out and LOTS of kung fu.
finished CHA #4? lucky, that is such a beautiful set. I love it. its one of my fav’s. CHA #5, I think I have a vcd of it somewhere.
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yep i do. I have CHA 1,2,4, & 5 on VCD. got them off of http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd/coll_cha.htm 4 is my fav. its everything long fist should be 
I’m starting to get the collection of martial art vcd’s. my brothers are like do you learn them? im like no, i just like watching them lol. expensive habit sort of.
The only eagle claw school that has this form is in Hong Kong (sifu wing kit lam), he also put a book out on it.
What I’ve heard is that it is not very old and comes from a series of “sets” created in the last 30 years during the same time that the 32 series of Contemporary Chang Quan.
Wu Bu Quan (ng Bo Kuen ) 5 step fist
Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan (BAt Bo Lin Wan Kuen) 8 step linking fist
shi ba lohan quan (sup bat law hon kuen) 18 arhat fist.
There is a VCD series out of china that teaches these three sets along with partner sets for the 8 step linking fist and the 18 arhat fist set.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Master;624036]Shaolin Babulianhuanquan displayed and the 18 luohans hands : aren’t they the same as presented by Cai Longyun a few decades ago? Both have 2 man counterparts and very similar features/rhythm.
The performance was tight but some movements were a little unlinked, and in fact a little different to what I have seen as the two man would not work smoothly with the movements as performed. But of course good skill shown.
The Shaolin Lianhuanquan bears no relationship to the 8 step.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is shown here: http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd3/coll_huaboxing.htm
Part of Cai’s Wah or Hua Quan style.
VCDs of the single and two person sets are available there.
They are throughly authentic versions.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;725327]ok, i have to bring this thread back form the dead.
oasis, iron_silk, Shaolin Master, or K.Brazier
do any of you have a video of the lohan 18 hands at all?
it would be a huge help
cheers
adam[/QUOTE]
VCDs are here: http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd3/coll_huaboxing.htm
Both single and two person.
ngok and sal
thanks very much for this information!!! you dont know how much this is helping me!
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;726263]ngok and sal
thanks very much for this information!!! you dont know how much this is helping me![/QUOTE]
I recommend you getting the 4 vcds of these sets, I learned these set many years ago and these vcds follow exactly, plus they came from the people who created the forms.
One thing to note, although it is said the Cai Longyun created these forms, Shaolin
has always had a loose set of self defense techniques they called 18 Lohan Hands that are the identical movements, just not isolated into postures and put into a standard form.
So, if Cai did that, he may have used these loose techniques from Shaolin.
But, legend has it that these movemtns came from the Wah Quan style originally and a Shaolin monk was defeated by them and thus they incorporated the movements into shaolin.
But, since Cai’s family style is Wah Quan (Hua Quan), then it all comes full circle?
Maybe he did not use the Shaolin moves to create his form, but both he and Shaolin got it from the same original source?
Also, another intersting note:
If you are into the Eagle Claw style, the first move of this 18 Lohan form is an eagle claw move (which is also done in Yue Fei style and also in some Fanzi styles).
Also, the first 5 movements of this 18 Lohan form are the 5 elements in the original order, before Hebei Xing Yi people changed the order.
In 18 Lohan the first 5 moves are the equivalent of:
1 - Pi - splitting - metal
2 - Zuan - drilling - water
3 - Bang - crushing - wood
4 - Pao - pounding - fire
5 - Heng - crossing - earth
And if you continue from there the postures of the animals from XY are found in the rest of the form in a rudimentary way, such as Eagle, bear, moneky, crane, horse, dragon, hawk, swallow, sparrow hawk, and others.
Weird, what does it mean?
originally posted by Iron Silk
"…so I finally answer your question I swear I’ve seen it somewhere on the web before unforunately that was long time ago and I no longer have the link BUT… I swear I saw it in one of the Lee Koon Hung Open Ceremony performances so…commence digging…SUCCESS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=991e3tchIxc"
Hmmm. Luohan 18 hands is the first set in my school and 8 step the second.
This video is a much different two-man version than the one I know. They did a lot of extra steping, that jump inside kick is new, and at the turnaround my A side guy does the other side .
There is a video of this version on my schools site for download.
Its in the old club section, lohan A+B.
http://www.chingwu.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ-7lYXhJbg&eurl=
here is a better example of the form. i start around 7:22 unfortunetly. 
-Adam
*edit
Sal you are a wealth of information. I have a video of me doing 18 lohan, but i just finished it two weeks before and I am not proud of it. so I will take another one and post it for you guys.
for those of you that care. i performed this form at lee koon hung grand opening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnTtiAFT4g
i even called it by the semi correct name 
its right at the clip so you dont ahve to watch trhough 7 minutes