Ray,
Simplist thing to do is buy or download instructionals or even visit sites on mma and bjj, subgrappling and get a partner and work it out. Eric Paulson has some great dvds, as well many other subgrappling masters. Then go back to the school and roll in a casual lesson, this has worked for me and i did well against the grapplers here.
Maybe just do a casual lesson a week go home refine the skills and then go back and train again…?
good luck with it all.
Garry
[QUOTE=hjt;705630]there is, its called UFC, but they have failed.[/QUOTE]
UFC is a fighting venue… how has it failed?
[QUOTE=fiercest tiger;705637]Ray,
Simplist thing to do is buy or download instructionals or even visit sites on mma and bjj, subgrappling and get a partner and work it out. Eric Paulson has some great dvds, as well many other subgrappling masters. Then go back to the school and roll in a casual lesson, this has worked for me and i did well against the grapplers here.
Maybe just do a casual lesson a week go home refine the skills and then go back and train again…?
good luck with it all.
Garry[/QUOTE]
that would work with the guys at his former school, but would not against competitive fighters.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;705617]It sounds kindof like a stupid drill, though. It’s too bad there’s not a way to drill your own MA with fighters.[/QUOTE]
Do you find it odd that you are the only one who has a problem with that? Most likely, the only way you’d EVER find something like that is to start a fight club of sorts. People go to schools to learn what the school is teaching, not to learn from / play with every tom, dyck and harry who wants to work with guys from a different style. I’m very open minded, and I wouldn’t even allow that. why? because you’re wasting both my and my fighter’s time. The only way I would entertain the thought is if on a sparring night you were there - he needs bodies to spar with, so I’d let you in the ring with him.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;705656]Do you find it odd that you are the only one who has a problem with that? Most likely, the only way you’d EVER find something like that is to start a fight club of sorts. People go to schools to learn what the school is teaching, not to learn from / play with every tom, dyck and harry who wants to work with guys from a different style. I’m very open minded, and I wouldn’t even allow that. why? because you’re wasting both my and my fighter’s time. The only way I would entertain the thought is if on a sparring night you were there - he needs bodies to spar with, so I’d let you in the ring with him.[/QUOTE]
No, Sevenstar, I don’t find it odd.
Because Ray has the same problem.
And I suspect a lot of other people have the same problem. Otherwise we’d be seeing a lot more CMA winning in the ring.
Seven Star,
Don’t waste your time nor breath bro. I have been back and forth with Lung via email since I moved up here trying to help him to a better understanding, but he is set in his ways and what he wants. It is too bad really because the kid obviously has a bit of desire, but it is not focused. Just think of all the time he has wasted trying to convince people of his ideology here on the web, when he could be training with someone! Oh well, to each their own a wise woman once told me!
Cheers
Jake 
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;705665]Seven Star,
Don’t waste your time nor breath bro. I have been back and forth with Lung via email since I moved up here trying to help him to a better understanding, but he is set in his ways and what he wants. It is too bad really because the kid obviously has a bit of desire, but it is not focused. Just think of all the time he has wasted trying to convince people of his ideology here on the web, when he could be training with someone! Oh well, to each their own a wise woman once told me!
Cheers
Jake :)[/QUOTE]
Jake, I’m 35 … I’m not a kid. Plus, like I said, my sifu doesn’t like publicity.
I’m not going to join something doing a style that I don’t like just because there’s more partner training. I already tried that. I did karate for a while because they did more sparring, but karate is kindof boring.
Bottom line is, it is YOU guys who don’t get it.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;705660]No, Sevenstar, I don’t find it odd.
Because Ray has the same problem.
And I suspect a lot of other people have the same problem. Otherwise we’d be seeing a lot more CMA winning in the ring.[/QUOTE]
that’s not his problem. His problem was he was wanting his teacher to be his fight coach and his teacher was not interested in fighting. Now, he’s looking for a coach and school to suit him.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;705675]that’s not his problem. His problem was he was wanting his teacher to be his fight coach and his teacher was not interested in fighting. Now, he’s looking for a coach and school to suit him.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no, he wanted serious training partners in his style. There was no one at his place that was interested in training to fight.
It was US who said he needed a fight coach.
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;705665]Seven Star,
Don’t waste your time nor breath bro. I have been back and forth with Lung via email since I moved up here trying to help him to a better understanding, but he is set in his ways and what he wants. It is too bad really because the kid obviously has a bit of desire, but it is not focused. Just think of all the time he has wasted trying to convince people of his ideology here on the web, when he could be training with someone! Oh well, to each their own a wise woman once told me!
Cheers
Jake :)[/QUOTE]
you’ve definitely got a point there.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;705677]Actually, no, he wanted serious training partners in his style. There was no one at his place that was interested in training to fight.
It was US who said he needed a fight coach.[/QUOTE]
same difference. if he’s at a school with guys who want to fight, he’s obviously gonna have someone to coach him as well. He left because of differences with his teacher, not because of the students.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;705687]same difference. if he’s at a school with guys who want to fight, he’s obviously gonna have someone to coach him as well. He left because of differences with his teacher, not because of the students.[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess, I’d imagine that the conversation with the teacher went along the lines of something like:
Ray: “More fighting and practice.”
Teacher: “No.”
Ray: “More fighting and practice.”
Teacher: “No.”
Ray: “See ya.”
Because I’ve had the same conversation with teachers. You can’t reason with old Chinese guys. LOL
Ray,
Hooking the leg is simple and you’ll get better at it.
If you are describing the rest of the move accurately, you’re actually learning how to do a rolling kneebar. You just don’t realize it yet 
So I’ve had conversations with a lot of MA teachers.
Bottom line is: nobody wants to be flexible in what they’re doing. The shoe thing is a great example of that. Lots of things grow on the mats. There’s ringworm, there’s mat herpes, etc.
So wearing shoes is a good idea. Not wearing shoes is a very bad idea.
But nobody really wants to deal with that subject. In fact, the only person I ran into who realizes it is a problem is Scotty Sonnen. Coincidentally, he also has a PhD. Maybe he’s just smarter? I don’t know.
I could list a lot of examples.
Anyway, I’m not really worried about it anymore. If Ray wants to do ring fighting then he should go find a good ring fighting coach. He won’t get enough realistic partner practice at most traditional schools to be a good ring fighter.
He had a very noble idea of applying traditional CMA into the ring, but where are you going to find a teacher like that? Probably aren’t going to find one. I don’t know of any.
So if I were Ray, I’d just book myself immediately into Coach Ross’s school, or Team Quest or something.
lung,
almost everybody realizes it’s a problem. That’s why they wash the mats at least once a day, with a germicidal mat cleaner.
If that hasn’t been your experience, then all I can say is I wouldn’t train there either.
And shoes on the mat are a bad idea, unless those shoes have never been on the ground outside. How do you think mat gonaherpesyphilaids gets spread?
[QUOTE=Merryprankster;705703]lung,
almost everybody realizes it’s a problem. That’s why they wash the mats at least once a day, with a germicidal mat cleaner.
If that hasn’t been your experience, then all I can say is I wouldn’t train there either.
And shoes on the mat are a bad idea, unless those shoes have never been on the ground outside. How do you think mat gonaherpesyphilaids gets spread?[/QUOTE]
You use mat shoes, shoes that have never been outside. That will help keep people’s feet from bleeding and picking up something.
I mean, people used to always bleed in martial arts classes years ago, but it wasn’t such a big deal because so many fewer people had these illnesses.
Anyway, I just think it’s ironic because I brought this up before on Bullshido and the co-founder got on my case hard about it, and then he got mat herpes from a BJJ tourney.
But yeah, I’ve been to lots of places that don’t clean the mats after every class. Especially if they do classes every hour or every 1 1/2 hours, they don’t clean the mats. Sometimes for days.
In fact the first place I ever went to that had very non-porous mats that cleaned them after every class was some kind of karate in 1997, I think. I can’t even remember what kind, now.
Judo they had a canvas porous mat that you couldn’t even clean right. The instructor carefully cleaned it before every class, but what’s the point if it’s totally porous?
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;705577]I didn’t like this oen drill where someone grabs your waist from behind.[/QUOTE]
I’m with you here Ray. I’m not a big fan of the majority of BJJ “self-defense” moves either. When I was in beginner/intermediate classes, I used to walk out thinking I wanted my money back for the classes in which that stuff was taught.
[QUOTE=Merryprankster;705694]
If you are describing the rest of the move accurately, you’re actually learning how to do a rolling kneebar. You just don’t realize it yet :D[/QUOTE]
I don’t think he is talking about the rolling knee bar. He is talking about the Self Defense move in which one reaches between one’s legs and pulls the opponent’s legs up, dumping the opponent on his butt and then cranking the knee from a standing position. If I remember correctly, it is done when the arms are free and the opponent is holding around the waist from behind. It is one of the standard Gracie self-defense moves.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;705744]I don’t think he is talking about the rolling knee bar. He is talking about the Self Defense move in which one reaches between one’s legs and pulls the opponent’s legs up, dumping the opponent on his butt and then cranking the knee from a standing position. If I remember correctly, it is done when the arms are free and the opponent is holding around the waist from behind. It is one of the standard Gracie self-defense moves.[/QUOTE]
I believe that KF is correct, it’s a fairly standard move (even GASP, seen it in sambo and Shuai Jiao) … not that fond of it but for what it is worth I’ve seen it pulled off live in San Da matches
Lung
Age is a number. Maturity is totally different. Again you expect people to work around what you want/think is right. Let me ask you this… would you have the same attitude about a job you are interviewing for? I think not, or you would never get it. I understand your frustrations, but your attitude is what is turning a lot of people off I think. I am in no way trying to wad your panties, just giving you an unbiased opinion.
You make a lot of general statements like the shoe thing for instance…I wear shoes on my mats! My students do if they choose. So maybe you should not project such a negative attitude in this regard.
Hope I did not offend,
Jake 