For any one interested here’s the link to the fight that took place in Macau in 1954 http://kwoon2.free.fr/NgvsChan.WMV
The old fighter is Ng(Wu) Gong Yee(Wu TC). He is the son of Ng(Wu) Gan Chuan. The guy doing a form demo in the beginning is Dong Ying Jei, a student of the famous Yang Ching Fu(Yang style large frame).
The White Crane style here is Tibetian White Crane, master Chen (the younger fighter) has boxing background also. Some one says that Chen might still be alive
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looks like the footwork was sloppy for both guys. Some good connects but a couple of shots to the head should ring someones bell pretty good. No connection to the gorund or in the body…
and why does the one dude with the flat top keep slapping at the other guys hand?
Originally posted by Water Dragon
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I think for once I’d like to see a couple of kungfu guys who are at the top, not fight like a couple of sissies. I’m not trying to be disrespectful here but when I spar and most of the people I have seen spar, never look like their just mindlessley throwing punches. In this fight and that other one with the white crane guy that’s been around forever both combatants look like their just windmilling most of the time.
Originally posted by red5angel
I think for once I’d like to see a couple of kungfu guys who are at the top, not fight like a couple of sissies. I’m not trying to be disrespectful here but when I spar and most of the people I have seen spar, never look like their just mindlessley throwing punches. In this fight and that other one with the white crane guy that’s been around forever both combatants look like their just windmilling most of the time.
I’m no White Crane expert but doesn’t WhtC have swinging movements like the guy is using in the fight?
I thnk so, and for the most part, in deference to the WC people, all the WC people I have seen fight use that and I say kudos. I’m sure there are some other techniques out there that both those guys use as well but for the most part it just looks too sloppy and weak, not like the fighting I see on a day to day basis by any means.
I’m no expert but it seems like they didn’t have a lot contact sparring in their training routine. It’s amazing the difference sparring with medium to heavy contact can make a difference compared to only doing forms and drills.
cipher, what brings you to that conclusion?
red fizzle, take it easy, I’m around for you to try and take stupid shots at now.
No need getting the unedumicaterd involved.
LOL! Well I’m mostly curious where cipher got hit information. As for these guys fighting,maybe it’s just that the generations now are pushing themselves harder to fight like they are taught? Maybe all those stories about these rough and tumble ass kickers back in china just aren’t true and it turns out most of them flail like catholic school girls in a tizzy?
All I know is that the more video footage I see of these guys actually fighting the more disappointed I am.
Now back to banging the crap out of your mom!!!
If your into the 60+ crowd, have fun man…
I’m saying, the fights might not have looked the way you think they should have looked, but the “masters” may still have kicked everyone elses aszes
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oh, and can you tell your girl to shave.. my thighs are starting to get irritated.
I think we have seen plenty of examples where people train techniques and dont’ spent enough time of powers or gongs.
I think this fight is a perfect example of the contrary. I think they have got plenty of gongs. But really poor in their technique training
I’m not saying I expect these fights to look like something out of hollywood, but some basic fighting principles would be nice, wheres the root? The body connections? Where’s the steady footwork and recognizeable techniques? I have a serious hard time believing that these guys could take anyone else who had been seriously studying.
Maybe what has happened is that since these guys got the art passe don to them, and found some folowers, it all got blown out of proportion and they started to believe what they were being told, that they are good fighters?
All I know is by watching that performance I’m pretty sure that I would bet on me if it were me or them. Crap atleast I know where to put my hands to guard.
oh yeah, and 60+ is what I like to consider “well seasoned” 
You know aged steak is better and all that.
The lack of covering up did kind of strike me as one of the major things missing.
and that’s basically what I am talking about. In my experience with sparring and even some fights I have witnessed, the most basic of fighters protect themselves. In more seasoned fighters, guards are strong, footwork is steady and blows are more structured for the most part. To me, these guys looke like they have been learning for almost a year.
I think they were both tanked when they got there.
Oh, and does your girl like bananna flavor, or strawberry, I need more jimmy’s, figured I’d get some flavored ones too for her, give her a treat this time.
she says she liked the cherry stuff I had left over from that last trip to your moms, you know, yesterday.
Could be, that’s really the only explanation, drunken fighting.
the clip had sound effects… odd. maybe this was taken out of a movie? what proof was there to show that this was actually a fight from 1954 between two kung fu masterS?