http://www.1421.tv/the_book.asp
very interesting stuff,i thought it might be a good topic in here.
peace,,TWS
yep, saw that book a while ago. it’s on the list
I think I saw that documentary on PBS about 2 months ago. It was like 2 A.M. and i was dozing, so I don’t remember too much.
Eventually I’ll get around to reading that one.
Very interesting. I saw this topic on “In Search Of” w/Nimoy when I was a kid and ever since then I’ve been hooked.
i am still trying to get a feeling of whether or not the chinese seaman really ever made it as far as the east coast of Northamerica. because there are sure as hell no account of them through native ameircan oral history,or in mexico and central america,now we know that african nations and phonecian sailors made it as far as the central american coast(lots of evidence on that). but really nothing on the east coast or central america, i mean you would think that if the fleets were cargo ships that they would have left some things behind and been collected by the coastal tribes,but nothing. so i am a tad skeptical,not that the chinese ever sailed to fer regoins,but that they made it to N. America,C. america etc.
peace,,TWS
I wonder if it’s anything like China’s first astronaut? :rolleyes:
the evidence, and its been around for a while, is the statues that have been found in central america that look very chinese. They have asian faces and clothing I believe.
World Maps from ancient China.
http://www.modernbookshop.com/wzq/maps/worldmaps2.htm
Babelfish to translate.
the evidence, and its been around for a while, is the statues that have been found in central america that look very chinese. They have asian faces and clothing I believe
nope those are believed to be phonecian and african,which arrived in central america and had an influence on the toltecs way before 1400’s.they did have almond shaped eyes but then again so do the maya(and modern day central americans) i am not dimsissing a correlation in genetics to asiatic peoples and that of the central americans or native N american tribes,still though,no definitive proof or artifacts to suggest chinese. it would be cool to find some though. i know those statues you are talking about,they are not oriental.
Peace,,TWS
Greetings,
I see someone has been reading up on ancient African history. Those who are interested in checking out more should read:
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They Came Before Columbus --Ivan Van Sertima
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The African Presence in Early Asia – Ivan Van Sertima
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Black Jade: The African Presence in the Ancient East – James E. Brunson.
I have long believed that the African/Native American relations predated slavery and that the only thing that shocked the Native Americans during the time of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade was that the Africans came in chains. So, their support of Africans escaping and accepting them into their families may not have been because of a common foe, but, rather, in support of an old friend.
ShaolinTiger00: You believe that the Chinese astronaut thing was a hoax?
mickey
Originally posted by mickey
[B]Greetings,
I see someone has been reading up on ancient African history. Those who are interested in checking out more should read:
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They Came Before Columbus --Ivan Van Sertima
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The African Presence in Early Asia – Ivan Van Sertima
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Black Jade: The African Presence in the Ancient East – James E. Brunson.
I have long believed that the African/Native American relations predated slavery and that the only thing that shocked the Native Americans during the time of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade was that the Africans came in chains. So, their support of Africans escaping and accepting them into their families may not have been because of a common foe, but, rather, in support of an old friend.
ShaolinTiger00: You believe that the Chinese astronaut thing was a hoax?
mickey [/B]
i jsut saw something on learning channel, all life as we know it came from africa. first wave went through india down to australia, then 2nd wave through india, china, alaska, into nrth america and south america. so technically all our ancestors are from africa.
Originally posted by Shaolinlueb
i jsut saw something on learning channel, all life as we know it came from africa. first wave went through india down to australia, then 2nd wave through india, china, alaska, into nrth america and south america. so technically all our ancestors are from africa.
I have read arcticles which involve this theory, but at the same time this is still a theory. Just as the theory of Pangea, in which case there was no africa, we all came from the same land which at some point split due to volcanic sizemic activity, creating plates out of our once whole crust. Its all based on speculation with minimum evidence.
I just picked up the book and haven’t got into it yet, but I remember my high school history teacher telling us there was historical evidence to say the first foreign traders to reach Australia and trade with its natives were Chinese. Of course, it wasn’t called Australia until Europeans invaded and pillaged it 
I have read arcticles which involve this theory, but at the same time this is still a theory. Just as the theory of Pangea, in which case there was no africa, we all came from the same land which at some point split due to volcanic sizemic activity, creating plates out of our once whole crust. Its all based on speculation with minimum evidence.
indeed but your two examples: the splitting of a supposed world continent and the rise of anything manlike are epochs apart.
That is correct, yet based on evolutionary chains, our ansestors would have been spread among the world on all of the pieces of pangea, which unless africa was the only place for these lifeforms to survive we would have evolved all over. Im not saying I believe this, its just a theory. Heck we could have come from aliens for all I know, I wont really know until i die, and still maybe then I wont find out the truth. But as for chinese making it to the americas, I dont doubt it. Anything is possible. Like Mr. Muhamad Ali sayed “Impossible is nothing” its all fun to speculate historical situations like this but the fact remains that we dont really know for a fact. Because if we did there would not be any conflicts of opinions.
Its a very good book.
To me, your all taking a very USA centric view of it. Its not only about the possability that the Chinses discovered the americas, its about how far ahead the Chinese were from every body else in the period concerned.
The most interesting part of the book is the section where the Chinese ‘empire’ totaly turns in on its self and decides that nothing out side of China is worth anything (not totaly wrongly)…no more expiditions.
Till the British got the Chinese addicted on opium (that was the only way the west had a product worth anything to the Chinese) they were the world super powers, and probably will be again.
Liokault,
Your first paragraph would be true if the Moors did not exist. The Moors also made it to the Americas long before Columbus. They were incredible seafaring people.
mickey
Has there been any DNA evidence that African sailors travelled to the Americas?
The first wave out of Africa that was posted earlier in this thread does support the DNA study that I read. The native people of Australia,by the way they are oriental, and the people of sub-Sahara Africa are at opposite ends of the DNA family. In fact there are more differences between the Africans than in anyone else. European’s DNA had less than 1000 common ancestors and are more closely related to the orientals than Africans.
One of what was thought to be a pure DNA line in Africa was of the bush people. Their language has clicks and whistles which was thought to be a more primitive language. When the DNA was examined it was found to contain Arab strains.
Now this next one at first was a surprise, then it made sense. The Jewish DNA was most closely related to the people of Syria and Palestine. After all, Abraham was their father and they had lived within close proximity of each other.
Hello BM2
There is ample evidence that Africans did arrive in Equador. This is a fact not widely publicized. The Mexicans still remember the ancient Africans.
That Africans arrived in the Americas on their own should not be such a shock to anyone who DARES to read more than what is required of them.
To classify Aboriginal Australians as “oriental” is just lame even by DNA standards.
Here’s a kicker for you: when the Europeans came to the New World (I cannot remember the source but the knowledge is still with me), they found a nation of Indians who spoke perfect Welsh!
Another: The Hopi Indians acknowledge a connection with the Tibetans. They acknowledge strong correlations in esoteric knowledge as well as similar words used to describe certain things.
I accept this info. It does not upset my world at all for me to go screaming for a DNA test.
mickey