Sphynx said:
and whoever was the one who said they do 1000 puches a day. thanks alot…my shoulders are useless now.
Sharky replied:
1000 punches isn’t that much.
Excuse me? How long is it supposed to take to get to 1000/day? Is that 1000 in a row, as fast as you can chain punches? That’s gotta take like 20 minutes. I can do like 100 and then my shoulders die.
IronFist
EXACTLY!!!
i only meant that i tried.
i cant even come close to 1000. i get to 150 or so then my shoulders are useless. it hurts to drink! i count 100-150 each hand alternating between the air and the wall bag every 50. eventually i may be able to do 1000, but 1000 each hand is another matter. right now they are not " as fast as i can chain punches". they are not slow, but certainly not full speed. im on my second month of training, so i focus more on technique right now.
hurts like hell doesn’t it IronFist?
Hi,
if you punch 60 times per second, it’ll take about, ahm, less then 18 minutes, right? So, what’s the problem? I perform half an hour per day!
And if you do them WT-like, 5 totally relaxed per second, you’ll be done very quick (that’s e. g. for speed).
Armin.
sphynx said only meant that i tried.
i cant even come close to 1000. i get to 150 or so then my shoulders are useless. it hurts to drink!
Yeah, I got to like 100 and I was like “I know where this is going” so I stopped.
I don’t think I’ve ever counted to 1000 before all the way.
btw, I will buy dinner (under $20 cuz I’m poor) for the person who shows me that they can punch with force with no shoulder muscle involvement. It will work like this. I will put my hand on your anterior deltoid and then you punch and if I feel it contract you lose. You have to be lean enough that I can feel and find the anterior deltoid.
IronFist
Some of my training buds and I did 1000 kicks in under 28 minutes once, so 1000 punches ain’t going to take that long.
And it ain’t like we were going for a world record or anything.
whoa whao,
go back a step, someone said that no shoulder muscles are used during a punch? i musta slept through one of my anatomy/physiology and kinesiology classes again:D
My FIRST night of training in Wing Chun, we did something like…well here is how it goes.
Each person counts to 10 and when ya say a number, you throw 10 punches before the next number is said, so each person who counts to 10 has everyone throw 100 punches. My first night, we threw…900, give or take a few (we did 2 sets). Each time I train (with the exception of last night, we had a guest), we throw about 500 punches as a warm up.
One guy said when he started training there, the first night they did 30 minutes straight of chain punches. I can throw 1000 in no time. Not super fast, but not slow either. It takes me about 15-20 seconds to throw 100 without trying. When I throw super fast, I usually burn myself out.
Ironfist
You should be able to throw out a thousand with ease (no B.S.). Start with single punches then move on to double punches as you get warmed up then move on to triples. btw the target should be 5000 not 1000. Everybodys shoulders move while punching just keep it to a minimum.
Re: 1000 punches
Originally posted by IronFist
[B]Sphynx said:
and whoever was the one who said they do 1000 puches a day. thanks alot…my shoulders are useless now.
Sharky replied:
1000 punches isn’t that much.
Excuse me? How long is it supposed to take to get to 1000/day? Is that 1000 in a row, as fast as you can chain punches? That’s gotta take like 20 minutes. I can do like 100 and then my shoulders die.
IronFist [/B]
Maybe you’re trying to punch too hard? When we use the sand bag, we don’t try to destroy it.
Sandbag???
Dude, I thought we were talking about 1000 air punches. Wallbag punches are way easier than air punches. I’ve been doing two sets of 50 every day on the wallbag and it’s easy. Two sets of 50 in the air burns my shoulders.
So what are we talking, 1000 sandbag or air punches?
btw, if someone told me to throw 900 air punches on my first night of class I’d say only if you can deadlift more than me.
IronFist
No Pain No Gain
‘’ Two sets of 50 in the air burns my shoulders. ‘’
So you’re not going to die or are you?
Do this for every day and the shoulders will relax after a week!!!
Also take some Iron out of those fists, the hand is relaxed so the rest of the arm should be relaxed!!!
Yep…the 1000 punches thing. I have no idea how many I’ve thrown in class in one sitting, but the best that I’ve ever done was throwing as fast a possible (while still keeping form) air punches for 10 minutes straight. And I honestly felt like I could do more. If you slowed down the instructors jumped on you.
I will admit though that that was one of those nights where everything I did just seemed to work perfectly. 
Normally I’m screwed after five minutes.
Tip: Don’t ever stop while doing it, not even for a two second deltoid stretch. For me once I stop for a millisecond I start to fatigue and cramp up like nothing else.
Hey guys, you wonit be ablet o throw 1000 punches in a row right away. Split it up into sets much like you would do weight lifting, I started by doing 200 at a time with about a minute rest between them. It takes a week or two for your shoulders to really relax.
Here is the key as I see it, dont try to use much force, maintain and concentrate on your structure. Do them slowly, who cares about the time it takes, thats not the point. Do them slowly with intent, against a bag or in the air whatever you have at the moment.
The key is to use your elbows to drive the punch, dont think about your shoulders, think about your elbows. Even though when you punch your shoulder is going to tighten the only joint you should be working on moving your hands with is the elbow. Also, in my lineage, we keep our elbows as close to the centerline as possible, you wanna talk about shoulder pain!!!
hi my friends w.c. brothers
my friend IFONFIST whan some wingchunger do chain punch shoulders dnt have many job or have that little job , bitseps and latsimous have many job , and im have oppinion like first in ewry traning must do just for form about 3000 chain punches . ok just my oppinion and friendly tiger_1;)
1000 is really nothing to shout about. do this:
1 x 20 single chain punches (ie chain punching 1 at a time)
1 x 20 double chain punches (ie u always lead with left… one two,one two when one is right punch, 2 is left punch, then left stays out… u know double punch right??!). Now do it on ur other arm.
Then do 3 punches, then 4 at a time, then 5 at a time, then 7, then go back to 5, then 4, then 3 etc… that’s enough for you now. you will be doing well if you finish that.
BUT - MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT BECOME A TEST OF HOW LONG U CAN KEEP YOUR ARMS IN THE AIR (IE SIMPLY TESTING THE ENDURANCE OF UR LATS). THAT IS NOT THE POINT. Your lats will get a lot of definition from this though iron, u said u were skinny etc
trust me 1000 is nothing.
dude if u can’t do 100 air punches then yuo got FAR too much tension in there - i know u been lifting weights, 100 punches REALLY IS nothing.
like i said i am only a month into training, so im off to a good start, thanks to you all and the training ideas. i have only been doing all this punching for the last few days. i punch for form now, but my shoulders get sooooo tired. i was working out and found that my shoulders are my weakest area. even though i try to stay relaxed they get rather fatigued. i keep my centerline, working on and off the wallbag. one of my seniors (one sash higher) just started chi sao and commented how bad his shoulders hurt afterward. im working hard here so that i can concentrate on learning what im shown rather than the fact i can no longer raise my arms.
btw: i filled my wallbag with steel bb’s, what are you all using???
jeremy
FIRST OF ALL, you only been trainin a month? Get off the wallbag. SECOND, take the METAL BB’S out of your bag. They are too hard. Use rice until that is too easy - i guarantee it won’t be too easy for you.
" Ikeep my centerline, working on and off the wallbag. one of my seniors (one sash higher) just started chi sao and commented how bad his shoulders hurt afterward. im working hard here so that i can concentrate on learning what im shown rather than the fact i can no longer raise my arms. "
Yeah, due to chi sau being new to him his shoulders will hurt. There will a) Be lots of tension in his shoulders (he has to keep his hands suspended while pressure is pushing them down - and someone just resting their fuk on ur tan can feel like a 2 ton weight after a long session). As he refines his movement and, inevitablet gets a bit stronger, he will get used to it.
people say fill ur bag with mung beans but that is too expensive for me. i think sand is actually a bit harsh for beginners too. I love the feel of rice in there, esp for beginners.
obviously this is all just my not so humble opinion, not gospel.