# Yip Man in Fatsan **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187 "2011-02-07T06:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/1 "2011-02-07T06:19:19Z")
anyone have a list of his students he taught in Fatsan? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_T\_England](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eada6e/32.png) [@Paul\_T\_England](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Paul_T_England)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 9:37am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/2 "2011-02-07T09:37:55Z")
Here is a starting point. [http://lungai-foshan-wingchun.co.uk/FoshanWingChunFamilyTree.aspx](http://lungai-foshan-wingchun.co.uk/FoshanWingChunFamilyTree.aspx) Paul [www.moifa.co.uk](http://www.moifa.co.uk) ---
**Author:** ![bennyvt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@bennyvt](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bennyvt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/3 "2011-02-07T09:41:35Z")
Gwok Fu is the senior, then lun gai. Both really nice guys. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CFT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/cft/32/438_2.png) [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 10:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/4 "2011-02-07T10:38:16Z")
I read there was only 8 so Paul’s link is it. ---
**Author:** ![LoneTiger108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/df705f/32.png) [@LoneTiger108](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/LoneTiger108)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/5 "2011-02-07T16:47:14Z")
[QUOTE=CFT;1076910]I read there was only 8 so Paul’s link is it.[/QUOTE] True I think. Mind you, Derek isn’t the only Brit to learn from Lun Gai as he has also taught Mark Hobbs. ---
**Author:** ![CFT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/cft/32/438_2.png) [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/6 "2011-02-07T17:34:34Z")
Yes that’s right. But we’re just talking about the 1st gen. of Fatshan students. ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/7 "2011-02-07T21:06:22Z")
[QUOTE=CFT;1076943]Yes that’s right. But we’re just talking about the 1st gen. of Fatshan students.[/QUOTE] what about other generations, other students. Are those in that list listed because they were recognized teachers, or just students? What time fram did Yip Man teach in Fatsan? ---
**Author:** ![Runlikehell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ebca7d/32.png) [@Runlikehell](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Runlikehell)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/8 "2011-02-07T22:55:06Z")
I believe he started in 1943, and finished roughly some time before he left for Hong Kong. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_T\_England](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eada6e/32.png) [@Paul\_T\_England](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Paul_T_England)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 8:43am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/9 "2011-02-08T08:43:02Z")
Thanks CFT for keeping the thread on track. Yes other people have studied with Lun Gai including Mark Hobbs. All I can say is that Derek has been there about twice a year since the early to to mid 90s and when I first trained in Lun Gai’s school back in 98 not many pictures hung in the school of students and not many chinese students trained either. I think Lun Gai only got more students after the first Wing Chun conference and the foshan chi sau comps and demos. This is just my opinion and as always what counts as what a person makes of the wing chun they have not who the teacher or grandteacher was. The list on Sifu Frearson’s site is probably what he was told by Lun Gai/Kwok Fu. Yip Man only taught a handful of students for abotu 4-5 years I think. Paul [www.moifa.co.uk](http://www.moifa.co.uk) ---
**Author:** ![bennyvt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@bennyvt](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bennyvt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 9:31am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/10 "2011-02-08T09:31:31Z")
Gwok fu said he taught him somethings went away and then showed him the changes leung bik had showed him. He explains some of the differences and stuff it was interesting. The first person that could show some proof (as there is none) that leung bik even existed. He later went back their later in his life when he was teaching in HK. Once when the association had a bit of a fall out and he split with them. So he also went through yip’s later stuff. Gwok Fu was supposed to be his fighter before he went to HK and he was a target for the japanesse when they took over. ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/11 "2011-02-08T13:41:21Z")
## [QUOTE=bennyvt;1077051]Gwok fu said he taught him somethings went away and then showed him the changes leung bik had showed him. He explains some of the differences and stuff it was interesting. The first person that could show some proof (as there is none) that leung bik even existed. He later went back their later in his life when he was teaching in HK. Once when the association had a bit of a fall out and he split with them. So he also went through yip’s later stuff. Gwok Fu was supposed to be his fighter before he went to HK and he was a target for the japanesse when they took over.[/QUOTE] Many thanks for sharing that report on Gwok fu’s comments. Ip Man kept lots of knowledge close to his chest. Most old time top flight kung fu masters did also. You got information by working for it and also paying for it monetarily or in kind. joy chaudhuri ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_T\_England](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eada6e/32.png) [@Paul\_T\_England](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Paul_T_England)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/12 "2011-02-08T16:07:40Z")
[http://www.kungfu.co.za/2009/01/24/forshan-wing-chun-lun-ai-derek-frearson/](http://www.kungfu.co.za/2009/01/24/forshan-wing-chun-lun-ai-derek-frearson/) ---
**Author:** ![LoneTiger108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/df705f/32.png) [@LoneTiger108](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/LoneTiger108)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/13 "2011-02-08T16:29:08Z")
I think it should also be noted that Derek is a well known Sifu of a few other styels too, and founder of Wushu Direct (Kung Fu Supply). I’ve had the pleasure of meeting him on many occassions at BCCMA events and the Senishow and he seems to be a humble gent. [http://www.itswa.co.uk/chief.htm](http://www.itswa.co.uk/chief.htm) ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/14 "2011-02-08T16:43:40Z")
no, actually this is keeping it on track; what about other generations. The thread is about Yip Man’s students from Fatsan. Please don’t derail it to speak about present day teachers. Open another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/15 "2011-02-08T16:59:29Z")
## [QUOTE=TenTigers;1077106]no, actually this is keeping it on track; what about other generations. The thread is about Yip Man’s students from Fatsan. Please don’t derail it to speak about present day teachers. Open another thread.[/QUOTE] I believe Lun Gai worked for the Ip Family at one time. Ip man kept his timing sharp by working out with some people apparently. They were not all disciples. He also trained some people for self defense during the Japanese occupation- agin not full fledged disciples. The 1950 to 1962 HK period was his best in depth teaching period- he slowed down in his teaching gradually in the next decade. joy chaudhuri ---
**Author:** ![CFT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/cft/32/438_2.png) [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/16 "2011-02-08T17:20:04Z")
Rik (TT), don’t really know what you’re asking for. You wanted a list of Yip Man’s Foshan students, Paul provided the list. There are no other generations in Foshan taught by Yip Man himself. Just one generation before he left for HK. Of that generation only Kwok Fu and Lun Gai taught openly AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![chusauli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@chusauli](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/chusauli)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/17 "2011-02-08T19:07:46Z")
What’s interesting to see is Yip Man’s WCK did a change from FutShan period to HK in a few short years. Yip Man’s WCK in Futshan is very close to Yuen Kay Shan, Yiu Choi, Yuen Chai Wan’s WCK. His “inside to outside” Huen Sao between sections is still prominent, as opposed to the “outside” Lop Sao movement separating each section of a set. Leung Sheung’s WCK still bears a strong resemblance to the Futshan period teachings, as does Lok Yiu’s. Lee Shing, Chu Shang Tin, Lo Man Kam, WSL (that would place these in 1949 - 1956) starts to look more like modern day Yip Man WCK, cumulating with Moy Yat, Ho Kam Ming, Ng Chan, and Koo Sang’s period in the late 1958 through the 1960’s. ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_H](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/graham_h/32/688_2.png) [@Graham\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Graham_H)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/18 "2011-02-09T13:15:15Z")
[QUOTE=chusauli;1077138] Yip Man’s WCK in Futshan is very close to Yuen Kay Shan, Yiu Choi, Yuen Chai Wan’s WCK. His “inside to outside” Huen Sao between sections is still prominent, as opposed to the “outside” Lop Sao movement separating each section of a set. [/QUOTE] Can you explain this please? There is a good reason for the action of Huen sau to be repeated at so many times at certain points in the form. I don’t understand why it would be an outside lop sau in any case unless the thinking is totally different which asks the questions why would it be? In fact I have been reading all these posts on various threads and anybody would think Yip Man had many different versions of Ving Tsun. Very confusing for a system that should be simple, efficient and direct don’t you think? I think most of you WCK enjoy taking the scenic route!!! 😃 GH ---
**Author:** ![LoneTiger108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/df705f/32.png) [@LoneTiger108](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/LoneTiger108)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/19 "2011-02-09T17:00:28Z")
[QUOTE=chusauli;1077138]Leung Sheung’s WCK still bears a strong resemblance to the Futshan period teachings, as does Lok Yiu’s. Lee Shing, Chu Shang Tin, Lo Man Kam, WSL (that would place these in 1949 - 1956) starts to look more like modern day Yip Man WCK, cumulating with Moy Yat, Ho Kam Ming, Ng Chan, and Koo Sang’s period in the late 1958 through the 1960’s.[/QUOTE] As ever, I would say ‘not so’ with regards to Lee Shing. Yes, commercially Lee Shing promoted Ip Man and his HK teachings, but we all know that he taught a wider curricullum to all his students from Austin Goh to Joe Lee to Joseph Cheng and my Sifu Joe Man. Other than think he ‘added’ to what Ip Man taught him, I was always of the understanding that this was simply Wing Chun. Whether the ‘other stuffs’ are from Fatshan, Kulo or Hoxan (Lee Shings birthplace) doesn’t really matter to me personally. What I do know is that Ip Man knew what Lee Shing was doing! And this was one of the reasons Lee Shing took him as his Sifu and Ip Man took him as his student. Of course, he also trained with and was introduced to Ip Man by Lok Yiu and Jiu Wan, so the Fatshan flavour was already there. Just passing on what I know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![chusauli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@chusauli](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/chusauli)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187/20 "2011-02-09T19:18:14Z")
[QUOTE=Graham H;1077261]Can you explain this please? There is a good reason for the action of Huen sau to be repeated at so many times at certain points in the form. I don’t understand why it would be an outside lop sau in any case unless the thinking is totally different which asks the questions why would it be? In fact I have been reading all these posts on various threads and anybody would think Yip Man had many different versions of Ving Tsun. Very confusing for a system that should be simple, efficient and direct don’t you think? I think most of you WCK enjoy taking the scenic route!!! 😃 GH[/QUOTE] Here we have some footage of Mai Gei Wong WCK Wong Nim Yi. He is playing the Siu Lien Tao set which is very similar to the Futshan group I mentioned. Notice he does not do Huen Sao, but a “Lop Sao” at the end of the sections. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Ap3Hgfbqs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Ap3Hgfbqs) I think many people haven’t seen a lot of Mainland China WCK as I have. Do a search and look at the others. Maybe you could share your reasons why “Huen Sao at the end of every section”. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/yip-man-in-fatsan/50187.md?page=2)