http://www.yichuankungfu.com/video.htm
Looks pretty fakey to me. :rolleyes:
Fu-Pow
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Gotta see it live
Things like that you have to see live, or experience yourself.
One of the things that struck me the most about the Sept 11, is this… In the movies, when **** goes to hell, people just running shrieking like the devil is after them. In real life, when the towers came down, some people just kind of trotted and looked back.
Just goes to show you, what you expect to see and what something looks like in real life aren’t always the same.
Merciless is Mercy.
some look really fake
Most of the clips look as though the students purposely jump back after he moves, perhaps some power is being issued, but one of their foots move back, and then they jump off of the other foot, I dont see how any power could displace the person and cause them to jump, clearly some are not uprooting techniques. Perhaps they in fact are being caused to move back a bit, then they spring off the other foot for effect?
I find If I use an-jing, people dont jump back, they are simply thrown back really quickly and loose balence or hit the wall, or tremble a bit in pain and stumble back. But either they are too hurt or too off balence to spring up like the students did in his demo. But he could be for real and just really really good, Id have to touch hands with the man to know for sure, but the above is my only hypothesis based on comparison, but I am no Master…
The last clip looks legit, I can do the same thing to people, its just connecting the their root and putting them of balence. Or blending with their motion and putting them off. Not hard at all.
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
[This message was edited by Gary on 11-16-01 at 05:46 PM.]
I’ve felt it from Fong Ha. I was pushing his arm. It feels like you’re pushing a spring, and then it just recoils and you bounce back. It’s friggin’ weird. I’m not sure how it would be used in fighting though.
But did it force you to jump like that?
Correction on last post you connect to their center not root to put them off balence..
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
Think of it as suddenly falling and then jumping back to stop the fall. As this happens you add to it as much or little as you want.
most people don’t feel what is happening depends on your lisitining skills (ting jing)
This is very good, and kinda of illustrates what I was getting at.
What I see is some one with a very strong peng jing, and YI .
His peng presents something to push against. He collapses this using his mind YI.
The others YI falls into this collapse, they can’t help but spring back.
He follows with his YI reinforcing their energy in moving back.
I have felt this type of energy you end up jumping or moving back because your body thinks its falling (the best way I can explain it)
WD, as for fighting this process can happen to send you back or really shock your body. again if you can hear his YI then this won’t work on you.
Gary, you already can do this it’s just not done the way your thinking it’s done.
Try it.
Have some one press you, when you can really feel their YI collapse your peng.
If you can do this they will fall in the direction of the collapse.
The hard part is not to lose contact and stick / add to as they move back, you should feel like your using almost no force or energy at this point both feet should be off the ground and they should be moving back. remember most of the energy is theirs you must have a very strong YI to follow.
Remember to stop their movement they could get hurt. 
very intresting
very enjoyable !!
bamboo leaf
[This message was edited by bamboo_ leaf on 11-16-01 at 07:19 PM.]
Thanks bamboo: ahh, ok, I see how that is feasible now, Ill try tommorow with some training parteners, it just seems the jump back is exagerated a bit. Interesting…It could be combat effective if of course you follow the off balance opponent. “stick to without letting go”
Gary
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
I had seen those videos, but i was wainting for someone from a internal style to say if its real or not.
Seems like you people belive its posible, wich sounds great
“I AM EFFECTIVNESS”
hmmm… the jump back seems a little over done. What baffles me is that Cheuk Fung doesn’t move at all when he sends them flying back (that is if he’s doing it for real).
I think we are talking about degrees of levels.
Shen (sprit) YI(mind) Chi(energy) LI (strength)
Depends where your at, it looks fake and maybe the students know what to expect so they tend to control what’s happing even though they can’t stop it.
you may not belive the higher the level of person the less outer movement. Remain a skeptic this is good. when you have a chance to feel this you will tresure the moment becasue then you will really know.
The higher the level the less the movement. As for combat apps. I think the movement can be very condensed instead of allowing the movement to carry it can also be used to break or compress.
Again he can do these things because his level is much higher then his students, also they use force giving him something to work with. If they didn’t use force and could listen then he might not be able to do this.
People who play push hands will understand.
Its not about pushing!!
we talked about fa-jing in another thread, depending on your Yi to Chi usage will determine your concept of this.
Geary, if you are able to do this you will see the effectivness, just remember to catch them and don’t add to much
this is why i come here to here to share and listen. none of it is esay
bamboo leaf
Will do bamboo
Ive always been told the less you see on the outside the more thats going on in the inside, the more I train and progress the more I find this to be true.
Especially in accual combat application, for ex. gross movements are rather innefective compared to small frame explosive movements. I can generate much more power from a shorter distance now than I could have ever done from a reverse like punch. If I punch really close like 1 inch or less is does not look like ive done much, however the bag or person flies as a result, I can see how if someone veiwed a clip this could look faked,hence why I do not demo accual fa-jing on my website, in a few years perhaps, its just one of those things you must see/feel in person to really believe.
Ive also been told If you see a Taiji instructor always doing his form large frame and always with wide stances, then he is a begginer still. I find that with my old yang form for example, a few years ago doing it large frame felt good, natural and helpfull, now I must do it much smaller frame to get a better feel from it, also incorporating fa-jing movements to release qi at certain postures is more benificial to me. Has anyone else had these same experiances?
Gary
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
See it in real pushing hands
Here are some AVI videoclips, on which you can see what can happen not in just a demonstration, but in competitive kind of pushing hands sparring. It’s one of master Yao Chengguang’s assistants against my own students.
http://www.yiquan.com.pl/img/4pekin3.avi
http://www.yiquan.com.pl/img/6pekin3.avi
http://www.yiquan.com.pl/img/8pekin3.avi
Andrzej Kalisz
yiquan@yiquan.com.pl
http://www.yiquan.com.pl
Do you have another file format, can’t open the vid.
Have real player but it seems to be missing some type of compressor to play these
or a short descrption would be intresting to read.
Thanks
bamboo leaf
Try saving it to your desktop and opening it with windows media player instead.
Merciless is Mercy.
Thanks it worked.
DN, this is the way we push also.
As you can see the listening and abilities are closer.
The others YI (intent) is stronger very good clips.
again the practice of pushing is to devolp listeing skills, no force (li) is used.
stick, follow, relase the intent. sounds easy but actully very hard.
Should the other use LI it would be very bad again depends on the level of the player.
Thanks for the clips
bamboo leaf
do you really think they could slam there feet down any harder to make it sound impressive.
vts
Foot stomping
I found the sound effects from the foot stomping pretty laughable. If there is some power there, as I believe, they would have been better off without the noise. Bad marketing advice!
I’m not saying it’s all crap, but…
(And I haven’t read everyones comments, so shame on me if I’m repeating something already said.)
Just look at the first video and check out the first few frames. Focus on the guy on the right. Look at how his arm straightens out without his hands/elbow moving back. If there was any force being transmitted at that time, the forearm would move. The arm would just not magically straighten. (Furthermore, his weight is dropping, not being sent away up or horizontally.)
I don’t doubt the teacher has skills, I’m just saying what he’s showing isn’t 100%, if you know what I mean.
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For the record, in my case, I went back about 2-3 feet and up about 6-8 inches
Cool WaterD!
You said earlier that you don’t know how it works in fighting. It’s just to keep em off balance so they can’t throw anything at you… just for the millisecond it takes to land something on them.
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p.s. I didn’t go to the demonstration, so nothing to report.