How do these things work? I don’t understand how you can use them(especially the underside of the wrist) without hurting yourself. Anybody use these, especially in a real fight?
-ZC
“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”
as your opponent strikes or before, jump forward and to the right so you aresort of perpendicular to them, your right toe pointing to their left. then backfist into their stomach. guess that doesn’t really count…
you do wrist push ups
.hit the groin or bottom chin or temple any where else prolly to solid.
the groin ones good if you shuffle in wipeing a front kick sweeping opp off balance then wrist the grion and rip up the body and shuffle in agian and strike the solar plexus with a striaght,etc.
In choy lay fut these type of attacking techniques are associated with the crane form. In CLF the attack using the wrist as a striking point is referred to as “hok deng”.
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I hate it when you wrists go on strike. They go all limp and you end up looking like a f@g 
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The top of the wrist seems normal, but zen_celt mentioned using the underside of the wrist too. That seems really dangerous to yourself, especially if you catch a sharp edge. Has anybody learned any strikes using this part? How about you, zen_celt, have you heard of any strikes that caused you to mention it?
Underside of the wrist? I don’t think anybody does that but we use the crane technique similar to choy li fut. That area usually doesn’t need much extra training since it is already hard as he11, like the elbow.
Underside wrist strikes:
I saw it once in a movie of all things (very realistic heh riiight). I was really surprised by that since it is a very weak/sensitive part of the body. I’m just really curious about using the wrist to strike in general since I figure it would bend/ break if you’re off by even a little bit. I guess it could be used against things like the nose and groin but someone here mentioned using it on the solar pleaxus I think. How does that work? Has anyone actually used the wrist effectively in a live confrontation?
-Z
“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”
I’m pretty sure only the top is used.
We used to have to do wrist pushups when I was studying Hapkido. Those sucked ass. From a purely anatomical viewpoint, I would say don’t do them.
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wrist strike
Hey Zen, I’ve seen wrist strikes used or practiced before. I have Earl Montaigue’s Dim Mak tape, and he strikes with a bony protrusion on the wrist to some points. I’ve also seen some mantis guys strike with their wrists pretty effectively. It doesn’t seem like an ideal striking target, but, I haven’t been trained to use it, I’m sure some of those guys have been trained to use it. But, I’ve only seen demos or videos, none used in an actual fight. There are some Montaigue students on here somewhere…and you could ask in the mantis forum, as well.
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zencelt i wrote striaght punch with vertical fist to solar after your lead handtopwrist
strikes the groin and switches to a claw ripping up the body your feet shuffle in and the rear hand finishes opp with a vert to solar.Never heard off the under wrist bieng usedm maybe in pakua??as a slap??.
Ironfist i was shown wrist pushups in hopgar/kajukenbo but never got good at them and am lacking on my pushup conditioning but planned to perfect.Anatomically why do you feel they are incorrect-liable to injury??
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my pushup! conditioning but planned to perfect.Anatomically why do you feel they are incorrect-liable to injury??=thats a wicked line=Blah
Back on topic
in Yang Taiji the outside edge of the forearm/wrist is used a lot - it’s rotated outwards as it impacts to ‘cut’ in
we use the back of the wrist sometimes - for me it only ever comes out when I’m attacking the lower body ‘soft’ areas as it is a penetrating strike - otherwise I always rotate to use the blade of the hand/forearm
“If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?”
You don’t need to do wrist pushups if you strike like it is often done in white crane, namely a whipping strike, in which you whip the arm and at the end, about hitting the target, you violently whip the wrist to add the momentum and the “slap”, hitting with the top of the wrist (your fingers therefore placed as if they were reaching for the internal side of your arm)…I have seen it done in mantis while adopting a mantis hand; but I do not remember it was whipped like in white crane…it is very powerful and you can hit any part of the body, as the strong and wide tendon layers around the wrist bones make a very solid surface.
Good for the jaw, sternum, sides, ribs and many more.
As for the underside of the wrist, we only use them for violent downward blocks, once again whipping the wrist to make contact with the attacking limb (generally a punch to the body, seldom a kick except if it’s a slap kick to the groin).
Hope these tricks from bai he helped you…
Diego- my bad.
Crimnson Phoenix- Thanks
-ZC
“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”
fun to use
theyre fun to use on people but the bags can make it sore for me…i taught our drummer a wrist strike and he put bruises all over my arm…make me laugh
Wrist strikes are not that dangerous to the user and can be just as dangerous as a fist or palm strike if used correctly and to the right area. In Taiji we have techniques called Ji, which are strikes with the inside or outside of the wrist.
I like to practice these on a heavy bag for conditioning.
As to how they work, if we look at the way Ji is properly done in the Yang long form, we see that (if practicing the form on the right side), the right wrist starts out yang shaped and the left one starts out yin shaped, and they slowly change to their opposites as we move forward into the posture. Doing this move with fa-jing, the wrists explosively change state, and sort of pop into the opponent. If you hold your palms the way they would be shaped at the moment of impact, and try to drive them home like that, you get an ineffectual push (and a “dead” movement according to Taiji principles).
For the inside wrist strike, the movement starts off the same, except that the right wrist rotates as it comes forward so the palm faces out. Again, it’s a popping movement and not a driving strike.
As long as you strike with the bridge part of your wrist, you don’t have to worry about hurting your self.
I’ve enver used Ji in a fight that I can recall, however, I know I have struck with P’eng, and walked away with no damage to myself. Whether he did or not I do not know, besides I didn’t want to hang around with him afterwards. 
Personally I think you’d break your wrist if you hit something rigid. I think some people are telling you to hit with the back of your hand which is one of the harder surfaces on the body to hit with. You don’t wanna break your wrist believe me when I was in my early teens I did and the jokes that ensued for the next few months were unmerciful.
[This message was edited by brassmonkey on 11-22-01 at 08:29 PM.]
Sam - gotta disagree with you there on Ji
Ji is the intersection of two energies - it’s nothing to do with the wrists per se
“If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?”
If you are hitting another person, there is nothing there rigid enough to break your wrist, unless you make contact with hard bone. But why would you be doing that?
Kaitain,
Ji may very well be the intersection of two energies, but the question had to do with wrist strikes. Those postures where we use the back of the wrist (or the inside, for that matter) are called Ji (or Chee as Erle Montaigue spells it). Anyway, I personally do not subscribe to all that “energy” stuff. If you’re taught how to express it physically, you do not need all that intellectual mumbo-jumbo. I learned it without having to muddle through philosophical rhetoric and I prefer to teach it that way as well. Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying there’s no need to go into that here. Those postures are called Ji, and therefore, I know the attack as Ji. I suppose technically it would be a bridged wrist strike or something like that. 