# Wingchunners and non wingchunners! **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [October 19, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401 "2004-10-19T21:41:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/1 "2004-10-19T21:41:57Z")
I thought it would be a nice title for a new thread!..šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![kj1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/kj1/32/106_2.png) [@kj1](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kj1)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/2 "2004-10-19T22:02:33Z")
šŸ˜ƒ Regards, - kj ---
**Author:** ![YongChun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9fc348/32.png) [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/3 "2004-10-19T22:08:48Z")
Well we need a definition first before we can allow members to join either camp. Thatā€™s definitely a good challenge. A member will have to define what it is they do and how often they do it and against or with who. A special committee of 108 elected members can determine who qualifies for which camp. ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/4 "2004-10-19T22:11:54Z")
iā€™m in the free from wing chun camp if i must be labeled šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![YongChun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9fc348/32.png) [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/5 "2004-10-19T23:01:06Z")
> Originally posted by Ernie > iā€™m in the free from wing chun camp if i must be labeled šŸ˜› You canā€™t do that. Thereā€™s only two choices, wingchunner or non-wingchunner. Ray ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/6 "2004-10-19T23:15:03Z")
looks like iā€™m yet the odd ball once again šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/7 "2004-10-19T23:33:57Z")
Wing chun is terrible. Count me out. I am a mma non fighter. OOps I have to go back to staring at walls to figure out selfhood. Back to the cave. ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/8 "2004-10-19T23:37:31Z")
wing chunner sounds gay sounds to much like 4 runner i consider myself more of a path finder insert drum roll here ----- ---
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/9 "2004-10-20T00:03:05Z")
Being a ā€œpathfinderā€ is a great thing.It is about being free but what about all the ones who will soon be following your new path?..They will not be as free as the finder of the path!..It will be the JKD syndrome all over again!..Oh no!..:eek: šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/10 "2004-10-20T00:14:12Z")
> Originally posted by old jong > Being a ā€œpathfinderā€ is a great thing.It is about being free but what about all the ones who will soon be following your new path?..They will not be as free as the finder of the path!..It will be the JKD syndrome all over again!..Oh no!..:eek: šŸ˜ƒ as long as you make clear each person must make there own way , and all you can do is guide from your own perspective then all will be well you can say the jkd syndrome is also the wing chun syndrome as you are following the path of others before you and look what that is creating nothing but seperation and my way is better then your way blah blah good wing chun , bad wing chun and everybody thinks they have the good stuff an endless story ---
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/11 "2004-10-20T00:19:49Z")
Ernie! Donā€™t be so \*\*\*\* serious!..What have you done in Hawaii?..Some prison times?..šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/12 "2004-10-20T00:22:12Z")
I was thinking about a secondary question in this threadā€¦Do Winchunners enjoy sex more than non wingchunners and why do they?..šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:24am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/13 "2004-10-20T00:24:41Z")
> Originally posted by old jong > Ernie! Donā€™t be so \*\*\*\* serious!..What have you done in Hawaii?..Some prison times?..šŸ˜‰ sorry bro just have a very calm clear mind right now didnā€™t mean to come off all dali lama šŸ™‚ donā€™t worry this state will wear off soon . some of my privates are calling me and still want to train tonight in the rain , this will be a long night šŸ˜ƒ for them šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/14 "2004-10-20T00:25:57Z")
> Originally posted by old jong > I was thinking about a secondary question in this threadā€¦Do Winchunners enjoy sex more than non wingchunners and why do they?..šŸ™‚ they donā€™t there to fixed and traditional lack creativity and canā€™t get the curves right šŸ†’ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/15 "2004-10-20T00:31:59Z")
So youā€™re not ā€¦ā€œtraditionalā€?..šŸ™‚ I hope you wear protective gear?..šŸ˜‰ Who else is not traditional?.. KJ?..Joy?..Ray?..šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![old\_jong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/old_jong/32/86_2.png) [@old\_jong](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/old_jong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/16 "2004-10-20T00:40:04Z")
Do you think the ā€œhip tuckingā€ of YGKYM is an advantage over non wingchunners?..Whatever the traditional aspect?..šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/17 "2004-10-20T01:22:43Z")
Jong asks:Who else is not traditional?.. KJ?..Joy?..Ray?.. (((Yes-I am a proper pelvic structure person in the ygkymā€”the resultant ā€œrootingā€ is important- and as the Aussies know rooting can have a double meaning. Chinese is not the only language with a flar for double meanings)) Comments on Ernie : as long as you make clear each person must make there own way , and all you can do is guide from your own perspective then all will be well ((Individuality is important in wing chun-it is the original intercepting fist- but not the modern jkd. I agree with Ernie is on individuation- everyoneā€™s poetry will be their own- but ( a possible difference) you have to know the essentials of the language and its structural characteristics reflexively- rather than reinventing the wheel and going back to me Tarzan you Jane)) you can say the jkd syndrome is also the wing chun syndrome as you are following the path of others before you and look what that is creating ((Following the path is not creating it. A bit of sampling and making up a stew without knowing the ingredients is part of the problem)) nothing but seperation and my way is better then your way blah blah good wing chun , bad wing chun and everybody thinks they have the good stuff ((An overgeneralization- in the midst of noise good things acn exist and emerge. That is partly yje plum flower and lotus metaphors)) ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ernie/32/402_2.png) [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/18 "2004-10-20T01:35:39Z")
> Originally posted by Vajramusti > Jong asks:Who else is not traditional?.. KJ?..Joy?..Ray?.. > ((Individuality is important in wing chun-it is the original intercepting fist- but not the modern jkd. I agree with Ernie is on > individuation- everyoneā€™s poetry will be their own- but ( a possible difference) you have to know the essentials of the language and its structural characteristics reflexively- rather than reinventing the wheel and going back to me Tarzan you Jane)) > )) basics are basics , the human body is the same , so understanding these basic is the foundation i agree most JKD guys i have come across - though much more effective street fighters hands down , do not have the basics that are part of wing chun , but they make up for it in training and application under pressure as well as being in shape , i have trained with some that have a very deep understanding of the body and how to use it but most are just a mix of boxing, thai and bjj , still a very effective blend , since they train hard . but your right joy once you understand your body and wing chun training gives you a way to unlock the bodies potential , then you can play your own tune ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/19 "2004-10-20T02:22:21Z")
Many ways to self defense or fighting. Wing chun is not the only way. Better to have a super teacher in some other system than a bad wing chun teacher. But wing chun does have some unique requirements- that does not stifle individuality. Those who studied with IM for a significant amount time have their own personalities and differences in the details of their individual applicationsā€¦Leung Shun, WSL, TST, HKM etc. Gotta go teach some wing chun. or Jim Rā€™s- gotta run.!! ---
**Author:** ![AmanuJRY](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/amanujry/32/523_2.png) [@AmanuJRY](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/AmanuJRY)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401/20 "2004-10-20T04:28:47Z")
> Originally posted by Ernie I was thinking about a secondary question in this threadā€¦Do Winchunners enjoy sex more than non wingchunners and why do they?.. oj [B]they donā€™t there to fixed and traditional lack creativity and canā€™t get the curves right šŸ†’ :eek: [/B] OJā€™s question was do they enjoy sex more than non-WCers. Just because they may not be good at it doesnā€™t mean they donā€™t enjoy it more. šŸ˜‰ Why they might enjoy it more is speculative at best and hard to prove. WC is considered a soft styleā€¦is that a +/- ??? šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wingchunners-and-non-wingchunners/29401.md?page=2)