Has anybody heard of the Kung FU that Wing Lam teaches. Traditional Northern Shaolin and Hung Gar.
The Authenticity of both styles. Just curious.
Shaolin36
Gene has more info on our lineage if that is what you are looking for. Other than that, I can tell you that he (Lam Sifu) does teach the “Ten Shaolin Hand Sets” from Ku Yu Cheong. You’d have to ask GeneChing or O (Subatai) for lineage or Hung Gar info. I haven’t delved too deeply into that…yet. 
We are trained in wushu; we must protect the Temple!
Gene, or anyone, can you jump in here and share some knowledge?
Shaolin36
hi-
Although I am not a student of Kwong Wing Lam, I have seen quite a bit of his material offerings in the way of Kung fu instruction.
It is authentic.
The Bak Sil Lum (North Shaolin) is the Bak Sil Lum of Kyu Yu Cheong. My Si Fu teaches this system and the sets are identical, even though my sifu learned them from another sifu who was not of the same North Shaolin lineage as Wing lam although it does go back to KYC who indeed had perhaps thousand of students over the years. KYC was a reknowned master of Kung Fu in the early 20th century. More can be found on him in a variety of places.
there are the ten core sets of North Shaolin as well as the two preliminary sets Lien Bo Chuan and Tan Tui and as well quite a few weapons sets, the key weapons sets being staff and broadsword.
The Hung Gar of Wing Lam Kwoon is from the Lam Jo line. Lam Jo was a student of Lam Sai Wing and therefore the lineage traces to the founder of the Hung Gar style itself as Lam Sai Wing was a student of Wong Fei Hung himself, Wong Fei Hung was a student of Wong Kay Ying who was a student of Wong Tai, who was a student Of Luk Ah Choi who was a student of Hung Hei Gwoon who of course founded the system based upon what he was taught by the Shaolin monk Gee Sim See.
Please don’t pay attention to the name spellings, as the spelling in english of these KF masters names vary dependent upon who’s writing them.
Anyway, hope this helps. If you need further verification of various Hung Gar lineages, check out http://www.hungga.net it’s a really good site about all things Hung Gar.
Also, the suggestion to speak to Gene Ching is good also because Gene is the North Shaolin Head Instructor for Lam Kwoon and would have even more in depth knowledge of the systems taught there.
I think I read to much
peace
Kung Lek
thanks everyone, very helpful!!!
Shaolin36
My sifu
Kung Lek actually covered it pretty well. Was there anything specific you wanted to know?
Gene Ching
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Kungfu Qigong Magazine & www.KUNGFUmagazine.com
Does anybody know who taught Wing Lam Hay say fu hung gar?
Thanks in advance.
I don’t know where Lam sifu learned the Ha Say Fu system. It is likely that he was taught by his teachers.
I do know this about the style.
Ha Say Fu is “four lower tigers” it is considered by many to be “old style Hung Ga” and also it is regarded as “original 5 animals style”.
There are many styles that share the name “Sil Lum” and the shape and flavour of Southern Shaolin Kung Fu or Tiger/Crane or Hung Kuen, or Hung Ga or many other names it has share the foundations found in each other although the sets themselves vary from school to school.
Ha Say Fu, is another example of this flavour sameness. If you were and experienced Kung Fu stylist with even only 4 or 5 years of training you would immediately recognize the differences between southern and Northern Kung Fu styles.
Ha Say Fu is decidely “Southern” in content.
Ha Say Fu has all the main animals of the 5 animals of Siu Lam temple seperated into individual sets for each. And with different focus of development that is attached to each animal.
Tiger - Beginning - Bones and Muscle
Leopard - continuing-Blood and speed
Crane -intermediate - tendons and sinews
Snake - advanced - breath and coiling power-pinpoint striking.
and finally Dragon- the pinacle- internal power, jing, all aspects of the above four.
They are learned in this sequence. My experince with Ha Say Fu is this. After spending 6 years learning Nam Sil LuM Black Tiger system and Bak Sil Lum to an intermediate level, my Si Fu began teaching me the Ha Say Fu system beginning with She Kuen (Snake)-
I suspect that I began with snake because of the foundations that Si Fu had laid within me with the other practices he taught me and therefore saw that I was at the point where internal development would serve me best as a practitioner as the external teachings were strongly ingrained within me.
So, to ask where a sifu "learned something is akin to asking “where did Issac Newton learn math?” Does it matter? Will it make you as a stylist better? What matters is the principles and theories and applications behind a martial art.
But, I would guess the short of it is that he learned from his teachers. Same as My Si Fu learned from his teachers and I learned from my teacher
peace
Kung Lek