# Wing Chun knives video (Leo Au Yeung) **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [March 19, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886 "2013-03-19T20:39:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thedreamer7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thedreamer7](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/thedreamer7)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/1 "2013-03-19T20:39:55Z")
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_embedded&v=smwcvKXchwc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=smwcvKXchwc) ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_H](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/graham_h/32/688_2.png) [@Graham\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Graham_H)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/2 "2013-03-19T20:49:18Z")
Good for the movies. Not good for fighting :eek: ---
**Author:** ![thedreamer7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thedreamer7](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/thedreamer7)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/3 "2013-03-19T20:54:03Z")
[QUOTE=Graham H;1220172]Good for the movies. Not good for fighting :eek:[/QUOTE] The knife form? ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_H](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/graham_h/32/688_2.png) [@Graham\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Graham_H)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/4 "2013-03-19T20:56:17Z")
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1220174]The knife form?[/QUOTE] What is it meant to be? A screen test or his interpretation of how the knives are used? Form? I’m not sure. Please tell. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Eric\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Eric_H)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/5 "2013-03-20T00:38:57Z")
Cinematography and editing is good, I can’t comment on if his form is right to his lineage, but it looks weak as hell to me. ---
**Author:** ![poulperadieux](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/poulperadieux/32/1060_2.png) [@poulperadieux](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/poulperadieux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/6 "2013-03-20T02:21:53Z")
utcher knives… Prefer an good ol’ Rapier. If I’d study weapons, blades, I’ll go in Italy or… Stay in France. ---
**Author:** ![Grumblegeezer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@Grumblegeezer](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Grumblegeezer)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/7 "2013-03-20T03:02:22Z")
Don’t know 'bout that. Looks like he’s gonna ruin his shoes. @Pulpo Radiante: Tried a bit o’ that rapier stuff. Too dang hard on my old knees! Other than that, it rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/8 "2013-03-20T03:03:55Z")
In a friendly match with an accomplished fencer apparently WSL could “touch” the fencer without being touched. But the bjd these days is for strengthening wing chun motions. ---
**Author:** ![k\_gledhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aca169/32.png) [@k\_gledhill](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/k_gledhill)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/9 "2013-03-20T04:18:08Z")
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1220230]In a friendly match with an accomplished fencer apparently WSL could “touch” the fencer without being touched. But the bjd these days is for strengthening wing chun motions.[/QUOTE] A lineage I know spars with them. VT Angles and tactical ideas come from knife fighting. ---
**Author:** ![poulperadieux](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/poulperadieux/32/1060_2.png) [@poulperadieux](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/poulperadieux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 8:00am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/10 "2013-03-20T08:00:06Z")
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1220230]In a friendly match with an accomplished fencer apparently WSL could “touch” the fencer without being touched. But the bjd these days is for strengthening wing chun motions.[/QUOTE] Seems hardly possible if we see how the chinese escrime is late in front of european escrime. We have a lot of centuries of duels to death, beween people who wrote, as witness, what worked or not, and were well educated noblesse. All the bart cham dao forms I saw have the same big problem, that is a basis in european escrime, and leave you wide wide exposed by a normal fencer. Actually, it was pointed out for me for the first time by a 6 year old girl. ---
**Author:** ![poulperadieux](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/poulperadieux/32/1060_2.png) [@poulperadieux](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/poulperadieux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 8:25am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/11 "2013-03-20T08:25:25Z")
![](https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205410_10200836403811167_1488389752_n.jpg) 1460… Waaaaay Older whan the Nun’s stuff. Wing Chun is a Young stuff, smart for peasants to find an average boxing system in their villages, but they didn’t know \*\*\*\* about weapons, sorry, that’s obvious if you trained blades just a little. ---
**Author:** ![poulperadieux](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/poulperadieux/32/1060_2.png) [@poulperadieux](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/poulperadieux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 9:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/12 "2013-03-20T09:04:03Z")
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1220230]In a friendly match with an accomplished fencer apparently WSL could “touch” the fencer without being touched. But the bjd these days is for strengthening wing chun motions.[/QUOTE] Sorry Sifu Wahlamushti, but, I just watched an old footage of WSL, he’s got the very default I told earlier about. Will be killed by an average european fencer with this very flaw in the basic of basics. (This was written in fencing manuals in the 15th century in europe… It’s quite older than Wing Chun… Sorry) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_T\_England](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eada6e/32.png) [@Paul\_T\_England](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Paul_T_England)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 9:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/13 "2013-03-20T09:07:41Z")
nice video, ruined shoes. That is not the form. About 80& of the moves shown is ip chun style knife form. I don’t see many people doing the form justice ☹ Paul [www.moifa.co.uk](http://www.moifa.co.uk) ---
**Author:** ![Sihing73](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sihing73/32/33_2.png) [@Sihing73](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sihing73)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/14 "2013-03-20T12:04:23Z")
[QUOTE=poulperadieux;1220245]Seems hardly possible if we see how the chinese escrime is late in front of european escrime. We have a lot of centuries of duels to death, beween people who wrote, as witness, what worked or not, and were well educated noblesse. All the bart cham dao forms I saw have the same big problem, that is a basis in european escrime, and leave you wide wide exposed by a normal fencer. Actually, it was pointed out for me for the first time by a 6 year old girl.[/QUOTE] I am curious as to what is “Chinese” and “European” Escrima. Last time I checked Escrima was a FMA and hailed from the Phillipines and Indonesian parts of the world. Also, there is a rich history of fighting from the Phillipine/Indonesian areas, in some instances using fire hardened sticks against “European” Spaniards armed with swords…guess what, the Spaniards did not always win. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_H](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/graham_h/32/688_2.png) [@Graham\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Graham_H)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:13pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/15 "2013-03-20T12:13:39Z")
[QUOTE=Paul T England;1220250]About 80& of the moves shown is ip chun style knife form. [/QUOTE] That explains it. ---
**Author:** ![Ali\_R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ali_r/32/842_2.png) [@Ali\_R](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ali_R)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/16 "2013-03-20T12:24:38Z")
I dont care what anyone does or say about anyones skill level, you would clearly know what someone can do in the stand up or with weapons; based on how well they could move their feet with consistent balance. And if they move like they have a stick in their but, then it would be easy for you to put your foot in there as well. Thats if you could move your stance better than your opponent can move his. Most of these guys move like robots when taken more than two or three steps, and you can see that it doesnt look natural, because; to them it never feels natural like the way they would want you to think it does. Leaving them in the wakes of being a human punching bag or when dealing with the knives, just plain old hamburger meat. ---
**Author:** ![Sihing73](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sihing73/32/33_2.png) [@Sihing73](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sihing73)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/17 "2013-03-20T12:35:45Z")
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1220266]I don’t care what anyone does or say about anyone’s skill level, you would clearly know what someone can do in the stand up or with weapons; based on how well they could move their feet with consistent balance. And if they move like they have a stick in their but, then it would be easy for you to put your foot in there as well. That’s if you could move your stance better than your opponent can move his..[/QUOTE] You should move naturally and just like you walk. My Hsing Yi instructor was telling me that one of the best Wing Chun guys he ever worked with just moved like he was walking and he was so natural and balanced it was like he was always on point. I used to move like a robot, now I move like an arthritic robot 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ali\_R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ali_r/32/842_2.png) [@Ali\_R](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ali_R)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/18 "2013-03-20T13:54:21Z")
This is true; walking through the form would develop a strong sense and sensibility of structure awareness and a strong flow of energy assertiveness. But in combat or wooden knife sparring, the one which get the better position usually hands out the first cut, because if one misses with his blade he would need enough mobility to move his center of mass within a safe position, to regroup, parry or defend. This action is very fast and unforgiving and especially when dealing with the knives when taking more than one or two steps. Because you’re gonna get cut sooner or later. And in the years that I’ve trained in FMA and Wing Chun when dealing with the knives, I never just walked through a sparring match. Because most of the time my opponents were more knowledgeable and faster (Woo John & Mr. Lee) wing chun practitioners, [and this guy as well](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN_pP4OjQ8Y&feature=share&list=PL74AD0BAD4D62A11A). I thought I could nullify the pain from the hits by wearing three to four t-shirts, it looked like nothing but felt like hell, and this guys could get behind you within one group of flowing movements. ---
**Author:** ![Jansingsang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/jansingsang/32/709_2.png) [@Jansingsang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Jansingsang)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/19 "2013-03-20T17:20:51Z")
[QUOTE=poulperadieux;1220249]Sorry Sifu Wahlamushti, but, I just watched an old footage of WSL, he’s got the very default I told earlier about. Will be killed by an average european fencer with this very flaw in the basic of basics. (This was written in fencing manuals in the 15th century in europe… It’s quite older than Wing Chun… Sorry)[/QUOTE] There is a saying in VT The Baat jaam do has no match ! I believe in the form.Wsl version .Not what we witness here in Ip chuns mangled version with poor foorwork no angleing, trieffling flipping knifes nonsence that can get you killed . Yip man was the first to beat the fencer .Butcher mind state ! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Ali\_R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ali_r/32/842_2.png) [@Ali\_R](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ali_R)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886/20 "2013-03-20T17:50:42Z")
It not just flipping the swords [QUOTE=Jansingsang;1220301]Not what we witness here in Ip chuns mangled version with poor foorwork no angleing, trieffling flipping knifes nonsence that can get you killed . Yip man was the first to beat the fencer [B][/QUOTE] The flipping of the knives is actually simultaneously parrying, blocking and slashing with the swords. In some words a “Gong Da”. The lower sword blocks like an “Ngoy Gong Sao”, and the higher sword blocks like a “Garm Sao”, or you could slash with it as well (higher sword). [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/wing-chun-knives-video-leo-au-yeung/54886.md?page=2)