A wing chun instructor came into my school last night and said that he would like to learn groundfighting.
I said thats great and then proceded to take him through the basics.
He kept interrupting me saying that I must teach him more advanced techniques.
He also said that grappling only works in the ring.
Almost every position I showed him he would say this or that is wrong with it.
I don’t think I’m going to train him anymore.
what do you guys think?
If he thinks that groundfighting is so useless why does he want to learn it
It’s the same if a Tae Kwon Do guy walks into a praying mantis school and says I wanna learn your style but as soon as you start teaching him he just tells you how weak your stances are etc.
He’s been doing wing chun for 10 years.
He has his own school and told me he has 150 students.
On the back window of his car in white is written WingTsun Kung Fu and his telephone number.
“You’re Good Kid Real Good,But As Long As I’m Arround You’ll Always Be Second Best See”.
Don’t listen to anything watchman says, he’s just teasing.
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
Without being rude t him I would ask him why he wants to learn groundwork from you and is he serious about the actual learning bit. IT seems like he may be picking holes in everyhting you do because his seriousness for being a student to you is not that legitimate.
Doesn’t surprise me though. Most wing chun people i’ve met are real assholes.
Yes, i do wing chun.
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
Say “look, it’s obvious to me, from what you are saying, that you don’t believe grappling is effective in a real fight. I don’t want to teach somebody who doesn’t think this stuff will work. I propose we spar, full contact, using headgear. This is as close as we can come to an actual one on one fight with a reasonably minimum risk of injury. I’ve done Muay Thai, so I am used to taking shots to the leg and knee area, so they are fair game. We will do this as many times as you feel necessary. If you still are not convinced that this stuff has its place, then we can go our seperate ways.”
Prankster…I hear you.
It’s a good idea,the only thing is I didn’t want to turn it into a this style is better argument.
Also I don’t want my students to think that I’m arrogant and egotistical by challenging him in front of everyone.
“You’re Good Kid Real Good,But As Long As I’m Arround You’ll Always Be Second Best See”.
Don’t do it in front of everyone then. Arrange a private lesson. Tell him it’s part of a package deal. One free private!
Alternately, you can say “ok everyone, today we’re sparring full contact with headgear.” Make it part of the class. Make sure you go with him enough so he gets the idea.
The only way it becomes style vs style is if HE makes it that way. Don’t get sucked into saying one is better than the other. Just point out that it has its applications, if for no other reason, than getting off the ground faster.
It seems to me that he does not want to learn ground fighting. Rather, his goal is to be able to say to his students that question him “yeah, I’ve done ground fighting and my technique is superior”.
Becareful sparring him, his quest for superiority (if I am correct) may make him go a bit to far.
What bothers me is that he wants to learn groundfighting and then teach it at his school.He won’t tell them where he learnt it or give the style any credit.His students will think they are learning ground wing chun.
“You’re Good Kid Real Good,But As Long As I’m Arround You’ll Always Be Second Best See”.
He wants to teach BJJ. That’s the reason he wants you to show him advanced techniqeus. He just wants to use it as a money maker.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
It happenned to me before.
This guy had a black belt in Ninjitsu and had about 1 or 2 years in Judo.
Well everytime I would show a technique to the class he would have this smirk on his face.
Then when I had them drill the techs with a partner I would see him teaching them variations that “worked better”.
He was also very agressive when he grappled my begginers and would try to hurt them.He was quite a big chap ± 210 and would be especialy rough with the smaller guys.
On saturdays we have an open grappling class where we roll for about an hour,no techs are taught we just roll.
Anywayz he rocked up and started rolling with one of my beggineres who weighs about 132.He was dominating the little guy and made a point to look at me everytime he got him in a hold.
I was getting cross,I have a long fuse and am not agressive.
The time came for us to grapple,immediately I could see in his eyes that he was gonna “go” for me,this just made me even more cross.
As soon as we started he came at me full force,I redirected his force and took side control,went to 69/north south and then to mount.
I din’t even attempt to tap him but just put alot of pressure on him.He tried everything to get me off but couldn’t.Eventually he started complaining that his leg was cramping and I got off him.I never saw that guy again.
“You’re Good Kid Real Good,But As Long As I’m Arround You’ll Always Be Second Best See”.
Yes i guess we like wing chunners can be a pain in the ass sometimes too…
What have I learned? Never box a boxer, never grapple a grappler. If this guy wants to learn grappling then tell him to allow himself to be taught. We’ve had people come to us wanting to learn “just” this or that rather than start from the ground up..such people will waste your and your students time. Who cares about what he says he wants to learn because he obviously is not interested in learning it right.
Tell him to hit the road…
On a side note, i went out with some pals the other day and one of my friends brought along this gold sash wing chunner…super nice guy BUT really loud and drew allot of attention to himself. What is with Wing Chun and the cockiness? Man, when I go out I am super low key…ninja tricks or just common sense?
Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..
KnightSabre,
I can see where you are coming from. Teaching in Taiwan I don’t often have complete beginners join the class.
The first point that the expert student has to understand is that they are here to learn not to impress the teacher or spout their own point of view. Here the types of quotes I use, maybe they’ll stimulate your creative juices.
“Oh , you want to learn the advanced techniques? First learn these basics so you can practice with the beginners to help them improve.”
“You think it is only for the ring? I Actually used this in a real fight and do you know what happened?”
“What?”
“I’ll tell you later, this is workout time not story time.”
“This is the real (insert your styles name). So don’t be going back to your WC school and saying this is WC ground fighting”
My experience has been that the more sh.t a WC guy talks the less experience he has. Too many fall into the trap of never realistically testing their skills (only Chi Saoing instead) so they become egotistical. I would just tell him to look else where for training unless he’s willing to empty his cup. I train first & foremost WC but I do other stuff as well and no matter what I think of what I’m being taught I keep my mouth closed out of respect for the instructor just like any student should.
I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.
–Khalil Gibran
Ashida is indeed the darkest of all masters and the one I have sworn an allegiance to. For the dragon rests within and the beasts emerges only when daunted by over confident frat boys or Kung Fu Forum bullies!
Hatsumi MUST be a fraud because Ashida taught me the REAL stuff.!
p.s- anyone want to fight me for 30,000$? You pay it of course..i just show up with a mask on.
Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..
