It’s common to see that
It’s uncommon to see that people in the same style that argue against each other. It’s even uncommonto see that people in the same style and come from the same teacher (2nd generation, 3rd generation, …) that argue against each other (just go to any WC thread).
Strange thing just happen in this forum and I don’t understand why. What’s your opinion on this?
I think within the same discipline people are working together to reach solutions and strong methods, and to pass these on to brothers, so we argue less and work towards the same aims more. Across disciplines though we have variations on answers and feel the need to support our methods over others. That’s my take on it.
It’s almost tradition for Wing Chun ppl to argue among themselves.
well.
even among the same generation or time periods
yes, we debate or converse or exchange ideas and hands.
if we are at younger generation, we do not “argue” with previous generation
they are at the same gen with your teacher
so we may converse or ask
but not really argue.
and as such or etc etc.
was going to say look at the WC one and you see it all the time. But as I scanned the above posts looks like everyone else pretty much said the same thing.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1135904]It’s uncommon to see that people in the same style that argue against each other.[/QUOTE]
There’s all kinds of perspectives and disagreements among my classmates.
I don’t waste energy arguing though.
People who like to argue are drawn to discussion forums. So martial arts people on discussion forums argue more than martial artists in real life because we are a concentration of the sub group of master debaters.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1135905]I think within the same discipline people are working together to reach solutions and strong methods, and to pass these on to brothers, so we argue less and work towards the same aims more. Across disciplines though we have variations on answers and feel the need to support our methods over others. That’s my take on it.[/QUOTE]
I agree!
Plus, because of our mutual respect as brothers, I think we debate rather than argue.
Have you looked at any of the CLF discussions on the Southern forum?
Have you looked at any of the CLF discussions on the Southern forum?
oh stop that…nothin like that happens on the southern forum. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1135917]People who like to argue are drawn to discussion forums. So martial arts people on discussion forums argue more than martial artists in real life because we are a concentration of the sub group of master debaters.[/QUOTE]
When I still worked for IBM, oneday in a meeting a guy said, “I agree with you today but I reserve my right to disagree with you if I can find any reason later on.” To me, that person was a true “master debater”.
It is kind of odd I guess. I hadn’t noticed it here because I don’t pay that much attention to the styles everyone here trains.
It’s true that I never argue with other Baji people. I disagree with them plenty and will still say so but I really go out of my way to express my ideas as personal preferences only when I am talking to other folks from the same style.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1135923]It is kind of odd I guess. I hadn’t noticed it here because I don’t pay that much attention to the styles everyone here trains.
It’s true that I never argue with other Baji people. I disagree with them plenty and will still say so but I really go out of my way to express my ideas as personal preferences only when I am talking to other folks from the same style.[/QUOTE]
I argue with everyone. Although, thinking about it, I argue the least with other Tai Tzu people.
It’ very conscious for me. I have seen people repeat our criticisms of other branches out loud in public and it always makes me really uncomfortable. It’s not that you should state your differences of opinion but the way you phrase it makes a big difference. It’s one thing to point out a difference and say you prefer it your own school’s way; it’s a totally different thing to say that some other guys training is inauthentic or watered down or whatever because they do it different.
Whenever pointing out anything I view as a flaw in other Baji schools style, I always pair the comment with a comment about something else that I admire about their training.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1135923]It’s true that I never argue with other Baji people.[/QUOTE]
Me too!
I don’t argue with anybody who trains SC, longfist, mantis, Baji, WC. I may argue with Taiji guys just because I think their attitude of “If you don’t move then I won’t move …” is too conservative. I prefer “Give before take”. The way that I feel is that I should support people who share the same interest as I do. It doesn’t make sense to upset your style brothers for no good reason.
In RSF forum, one of my longfist brothers (His teacher and my teacher have the same teacher) has different opinions on whether we should twist on the back toes of on the back heel. Through the whole discussion, I had never said that he was wrong and I was right even we didn’t agree on that issue.
I don’t really argue with people in my style (CLF), but then again, I don’t really argue with those from other styles, either. At least not concerning MA. I’ve trained so many systems before CLF, anyway. I’ve also been mostly on my own for a while now, so I rarely even discuss MA with anyone anymore. And what’s the point of arguing about it? If something works for you, it’s already your own. If somebody disagrees, that’s fine, too. Their interpretation is different.
I have seen sniping within the same style, but it’s usually between practitioners of different lineages. And I’m not only talking about on these forums.
I do seem to remember many, many years ago on these forums, there was a big problem of online arguing between some SPM practitioners. There may even have been an SPM forum here(?), but it got so bad it was taken down. Anyone else remember that?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1135917]People who like to argue are drawn to discussion forums. So martial arts people on discussion forums argue more than martial artists in real life because we are a concentration of the sub group of master debaters.[/QUOTE]
no they don’t.
(insert Monty Python vid here)
I think most arguments no matter the topic is about those individuals not putting enough time into there work/training and take a easy way out finding fault with the others. it’s always easier to mask our internal when finding fault with his/her external.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1135904]It’s common to see that
It’s uncommon to see that people in the same style that argue against each other. It’s even uncommonto see that people in the same style and come from the same teacher (2nd generation, 3rd generation, …) that argue against each other (just go to any WC thread).
Strange thing just happen in this forum and I don’t understand why. What’s your opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
It’s entirely too common that people within the same styles/systems/communities argue with one another ex: Wing Chun, Hung Ga, CLF, 8-step mantis, tai mantis, Jook Lum, Shaolin. It’s hard to mention a style or system that doesn’t have such. Even now with styles associated with MMA there is divisiveness to the same effect. ex: Gracie JJ, Catch Wrestling, and others that are more along the lines of exposing frauds more than just a lineage dispute It is hard to avoid when egos and self importance become so enlarged or another individual/group outright rips off a style lineage and claims it as thier own.
I won’t argue with my Hung Kuen, or SPM brothers. I will offer alternatives, solutions, share my own personal experiences and discoveries. I will try to be more tactful.
If I see something posted, or a video, which I think isn’t good, I would rather say nothing, and not even comment on it, rather than start up a sh1tstorm. It gets way too political, and petty.