My boy is gonna start working out with me. He’s a BJJ Blue Belt and just got back doing two weeks with Royler out in Brazil. First, I explained what we do a little. Then I explained that we are a little rougher than most Gong Fu schools and he’s gonna get hurt on occasion.
His reply?
“It’s cool Bro, I broke my shoulder after my first BJJ lesson, I came back in about a month.”
He’s gonna make a helluva Shaui Chiao player. He has the one thing that can’t be taught. HEART
I’ll let you figure out what the thread title means. You can also figure out if this thread applies to you or not
Yeah whateva dud, i almost had my right arm cut off when i was 9 years old. Its actually almost not sensitive on the area where i have this total bad ass scar.
To break a shoulder the person training with him must have made something stupid or he refused to tap.
Like i saw on tv this jiujitsu girl saying that one time she put this dude on a lock, it was his first class and he refused to tap because he couldnt accept losing to a girl. He ended up hurting his arm and she says he never came back.
I don’t think Water Dragon’s post was on the topic of who is tougher than who by how many scars they have but on how some people tend to have heart in their training.
In my opinion heart or gameness is something you are born with and not something you learn.
Look at what the old soliders accomplished in the wars of our past, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, under equipped, disadvantaged and against all odds they still past the muster.
Look at the firefighters and police officers in the Sept 11th attacks.
Those people had heart.
Does this guy have heart, I don’t know but I don’t think his point was as you took it. I could be wrong of course.
He forgot to tap. It was his first class. Anyway, he got his blue now, and I’m on the class.
Another thing I noticed. Most BJJ guys have no opinion what so ever on Gong Fu. They really just don’t pay attention to it. His three main questions were:
What’s it like (NHB with a bunch of cool training methods that you do on your own time)
Why hasn’t it come out yet (We talked about the Chinese culture and why they really don’t care)
What’s up with this "too deadly to use stuff (I laughed at that one)
So basically, it’s the internet freaks that are coming here. The BJJ guys (and NHB guys) just don’t know.
i dont know why people are tripping,look at royces frame agianst ufc bigdudes,is that not wingchun or oldman pakua flavor,using superoir mechanics,to work the biggest machine+2ounces to move a thousand pounds type steello.
I’m a nice person but i needed to post bad ass stuff.
Sorry, but thats what happens when i have no porn or decent form of entretainment availible. I just cant download porn from my mothers new computer…
Youre right on the no opionion thing.
This bjj friend asked me what is it like when i only had introductory class. I couldnt answer cos there were a bunch of people talking around, just tons of stuff, noise and stuff, people talking at the same time someone else asked me something someone else pulled me to other side…
My friend not all BJJ/NHB fighters don’t know. I respect this style just as much as i do BJJ. If i didn’t then i could never truely be open minded. Yes i’ve trained BJJ and yes i’ve done a couple MMA type matches but i also learn about other arts. Tradition wise i don’t care for that but i do care for the effective parts of the art.
It’s cool Brad. It wasn’t a comment directed in a bad way. I think the same applies to a lot of CMA guys. They know what BJJ is, but they have no idea what it’s about.
I can understand that i guess my only advantage was i also train with a Wing Chun guy which allows me to play with their tools also. Some people in both BJJ and Kung Fu just get caught up in ego and not in reality.
Yeah, that’s true. From what I’ve seen, the really good Gong Fu guys are interested in anything that works: Chinese, Western, Indonesian, Japanese, they don’t care. If you show them something and they like it, they want more, regardless of the source.
Naw, I explained the story as I was told it. No need to start a little flame war. This has the possibility to be a good thread so far, why ruin it? I’m really excited at my friend coming in. Think about the situation here: We have a technically sound, martially proficient individual trained in BJJ. He want to starts competing in NHB, but has ABSOLUTELY NO STAND UP EXPERIENCE. He is going to learn stand up from CMA. Imagine what’s going to happen when he figures out how to link the Shuai Chiao throws into BJJ subs. Do you understand what the CMA community can learn if we watch? I already explained to him how the traditional methods work, he’ intrigued. I was able to explain to him in terms of BJJ> Example: Single posture forms are like the lifting of the hip in an armbar. They train parts of the tech that are so simple, a lot of people miss them, but without them, the technique just wont work. You do this and run the tech relentlessly at the same time. Then you fight with it. He loves it.
Just make sure your friend explores every aspect. One bad thing i’ve found with some BJJ guys at that level are they only work on being good at one or two things on the ground and the rest of their games suffers. Hopefully this is just something i’ve picked up off a few select fighters and your friend is very well rounded on the ground. Tell him good luck in MMA been there done that!!! And also make sure the cardio is there
One thing i like to do for training is have a group of say five or six people all with 8 to 16 ounce gloves on. Those people are allowed to use any strike they want and the guy training for the fight is only allowed to defend and takedown. Anyone can throw a punch but learning to recieve on is a diferent story. Also get a pair of gloves they wear in MMA grappling with those makes a huge difference because of the glove getting in the way of subs. Best of luck and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
I love all this BJJ/Gung Fu/NHB controversy. Funny. Whatever works use, whatever doesn’t, look at why, fix it, or get rid of it.
I was under the impression though that the Gracies and BJJ have been having a hell of a time, that folks are learning how to deal with them, actually have now for some time. Doesn’t take anything away from them though, from what I’ve seen and heard, they are training hard, and keeping it real.
Lots of Kung Fu sucks. Most of Tae Kwon Do does, lots of bad karate and I’d assume that there’s a lot of bad BJJ, but would even gues not so much as the others percentage wise. Why? Because they specialize, not so much crap getting in the way. For that, I give them a big thumbs up.
And, congrats for having a son to train with. Must be nice. A dream I have for myself in the future. Just need to accompish a few things before I settle all the way down. Living with my girl is more then enough for now.
I don’t blame him for wanting to lear Kung Fu, it is a much better self defence system. Nothing against BJJ, I used to train in it myself.
EvolutionFist is right, all the gracies did is catch the MA comunity off guard and made an impression, truth is, now that we have seen and learned to defend against it BJJ is no were near as affective as it was in the start. There are just too many things to considr when fighting to limit it to ground fighting. Good luck and it is allways good to expand your training.
First off if you really want to look at it in a way Gracie JJ and BJJ are two different things. Gracie JJ imo is just the basic foundation for BJJ. As for me wanting to learn Kung Fu LOL. I never intended to learn any style. I like to train with as many different styles as possible to learn their strong and weak points. Too call me a BJJ guy is also incorrect because i’ve also trained in Judo and Sombo. I guess i would probably fall into the hybrid MMA stylist. Though i do enjoy training with Kung Fu guys and that’s why i respect the opinions of this board.
Originally posted by Brad Souders First off if you really want to look at it in a way Gracie JJ and BJJ are two different things. Gracie JJ imo is just the basic foundation for BJJ. As for me wanting to learn Kung Fu LOL. I never intended to learn any style. I like to train with as many different styles as possible to learn their strong and weak points. Too call me a BJJ guy is also incorrect because i’ve also trained in Judo and Sombo. I guess i would probably fall into the hybrid MMA stylist. Though i do enjoy training with Kung Fu guys and that’s why i respect the opinions of this board.
I ment Water Dragon’s boy. I should have been more specific.
