muscle mass has more to do with potential strength than applied functional strength.
this is a big reason why use of weights in martial arts training follows a functional strength model instead of body building which is directed more at beautification of the human form.
Not that body builders aren’t strong, of course they are! But functional fighting strength? That is something that has to be worked at. I will be the first one to tell you that if a body builder took it upon themselves to switch to functional strength development, then they’ll get there faster as they already have the huge head start.
[QUOTE=Frost;1237531]yep I was talking to one of the guys in our gym who has been a world record holder in 3 weight catagories and held titles for 40 years. I asked how to get my deadlift up as it was not going anywhere (I was hoping for a secret assistance exercise or a secret programme) he just looked at and said just deadlift more…[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of powerlifters these days that only deadlift a couple times a month. Some people respond better to lower frequency. I’d like to know why that is. If I’m not mistaken Eric Lilliebridge does it this way.
Personally, I respond better to higher frequency. Then again, I’m just now able to deadlift regularly again.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1237720]There are a lot of powerlifters these days that only deadlift a couple times a month. Some people respond better to lower frequency. I’d like to know why that is. If I’m not mistaken Eric Lilliebridge does it this way.
Personally, I respond better to higher frequency. Then again, I’m just now able to deadlift regularly again.[/QUOTE]
if you are box squatting alot you are using the same muscles as you would in a deadlift, plus if you box squat you are a geared lifter and that gear also aids you in deadlifting, if you are a raw squatter box squatting…well why on earth are you doing this?
If you lift raw then raw squats have less of a carry over so you have to the deadlift (more quad less hamstrings and back), and also raw squat sessions are much shorter than geared sessions so you actually have time to deadlift
the guy im talking about deadlits heavy three times a week, and at the age of 63 and 90kg pulls between 260-280kg each session
Eric seems to deadlift every week, just one week light and one week heavy, a lot of powerlifters will deadlift once a week, like the greatest of all Ed Coan, others like the Russians will deadlift three times a week, it all depends on your ability to recovery and how heavy you are going.
It also depends on what system, you use, if you follow standard periodization you will only truly be maxing on your deadlift every 8 or 10 weeks so you can deadlift every week every multiple times and not burn out, if you are a westside guy you need to rotate (but why a raw lifter would be following Westside is another question)
you guy in question is lifelong drug free, by that i mean he lifts in drug tested federations and because he is a record holder and title holder he is tested on a regular basis, not to mention he sits on the IPF board
[QUOTE=JamesC;1237796]Cool thanks for that response.
And he goes heavy 3x a week? I would die. I bet he makes my diet look like it belongs to a anorexic little girl…[/QUOTE]
yep heavy three times a week, but
a) he has build up to this level of capacity over decades
b) he listens to his body and whilst goes heavy he doesnt fail many if any lifts
c) he is a freak of nature as all world class athletes are (having said this a lot of the guys lift as he does and we have several british and european record holders)
[QUOTE=Frost;1237800]you guy in question is lifelong drug free, by that i mean he lifts in drug tested federations and because he is a record holder and title holder he is tested on a regular basis, not to mention he sits on the IPF board[/QUOTE]
r u calling eric lillibridge drug free
LOL
[QUOTE=Frost;1237801]yep heavy three times a week, but
a) he has build up to this level of capacity over decades[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Frost;1237800]you guy in question is lifelong drug free, by that i mean he lifts in drug tested federations and because he is a record holder and title holder he is tested on a regular basis, not to mention he sits on the IPF board[/QUOTE]
Well… Lance Armstrong passed all of his drug tests.
If you are competing for dollars you are using PEDs.
period.
No drug free assoc will produce people that will outdo PED using assocs.
This is why competition at that level has become tainted.
Not that it doesn’t still take effort, because yeah, it does, but it’s a perception thing.
People don’t respect athletes that use drugs to get where they are and that is why PEDs are downplayed, not mentioned etc etc.
[QUOTE=Frost;1237801]yep heavy three times a week, but
a) he has build up to this level of capacity over decades
b) he listens to his body and whilst goes heavy he doesnt fail many if any lifts
c) he is a freak of nature as all world class athletes are (having said this a lot of the guys lift as he does and we have several british and european record holders)[/QUOTE]
Yeah I watched an interview with Ed Coan, Marty Gallagher, and Rippetoe where they talked about how Ed never failed lifts, even in training. That’s not fair lol
I was talking to one of the guys in our gym who has been a world record holder in 3 weight catagories and held titles for 40 years. I asked how to get my deadlift up as it was not going anywhere (I was hoping for a secret assistance exercise or a secret programme) he just looked at and said just deadlift more…[/QUOTE]