[QUOTE=Minghequan;1258570]I don’t know Gene. In Oz the Chinese arts are not so well received or that popular. We are getting the MMA wave at the moment even though that is now attracting a great deal of bad press and several doctors speaking out against same.
I cannot really comment on the USA scene other than that witnessed here … that being said … What I’m seeing is not all that great. Very little real discussion, more clowns than a circus and the usual politics and rubbish that’s been pedaled for years.
This would I would think, put off a lot of people who might like to contribute but fail to do so because of the above.
What’s happened to the basic concept of Wude? Of simply agreeing to disagree without all the vitriol , the sniping, snide remarks?
Many talk of the heart, essence and spirit but few if any actually enact it.[/QUOTE] I was actually discussing the forum as that was the topic of this thread, not general trends in MA. I try to stay on topic here, but it’s truly a challenge.
But as for wude, it’s easy to lecture others about it, but hard to life it. Anyone can say that they exemplify wude (and by comparison, others do not) but that doesn’t count. It only counts when other say you have it.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1258658]I was actually discussing the forum as that was the topic of this thread, not general trends in MA. I try to stay on topic here, but it’s truly a challenge.
But as for wude, it’s easy to lecture others about it, but hard to life it. Anyone can say that they exemplify wude (and by comparison, others do not) but that doesn’t count. It only counts when other say you have it.[/QUOTE]
Wude has been thrown through the wringer hasn’t it?
I never took it to mean that it was a lesson in manners, it’s not.
It doesn’t say anywhere in the martial ethic that you have to put up with someones opinion and that you can’t call them on it and ask for proof of the workings of their claim.
It says, don’t kill those who don’t deserve it, don’t rape, don’t abuse kids, don’t rob people because you’re stronger than them and so on.
It’s the same martial ethic that tells us to not indiscriminately use an a bomb on Switzerland because our watch isn’t working.
Too live it isn’t difficult at all. And it never meant give face to someone you know is talking crap. call them on it.
Mind you, if your belligerence can’t cut the mustard after you attempt to smear someone else? Prepare for your beating. lol
I think this whole thing about turning wude into being about suffering fools and being a bootlick to a marginally skilled person is a weird aspect of the egotism and banged in individualism of the west.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1258658] Anyone can say that they exemplify wude (and by comparison, others do not) but that doesn’t count. It only counts when other say you have it.[/QUOTE]
Was that an intentional contradiction? It only counts when others observe it (or the lack thereof) but not when you observe it in others?
I reject Neo Confucianism and base my Wu De on Legalism.
In any case people seem to confuse Confucianism with protecting delicate wing chun internet sensibilities.
Actually, I started off posting something about how you shouldn’t preach about wude and then went on to preach about it, but it got to cumbersome and the humor was lost. As I was rethinking it (and mind you, it’s not like I spend very much time composing posts - it’s free content after all) I was summoned to the office Xmas party, so I just posted what I had in a somewhat half-assed manner. It delights me that some of the original intended irony came through.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1258664]Actually, I started off posting something about how you shouldn’t preach about wude and then went on to preach about it, but it got to cumbersome and the humor was lost. As I was rethinking it (and mind you, it’s not like I spend very much time composing posts - it’s free content after all) I was summoned to the office Xmas party, so I just posted what I had in a somewhat half-assed manner. It delights me that some of the original intended irony came through. :D[/QUOTE]
Why not just keep it simple? Don’t lie, cheat, steal or otherwise cause any harm to anyone when it’s not called for? Those last four words are the rub though. No matter what code you come across, if it leaves any latitude for interpretation(and they all do) it can and will be twisted to suit the user. Sometimes it’s harmless, sometimes it’s not. Kinda makes the whole endeavour a lil pointless doncha think?
[QUOTE=Syn7;1258673]Why not just keep it simple? Don’t lie, cheat, steal or otherwise cause any harm to anyone when it’s not called for? Those last four words are the rub though. No matter what code you come across, if it leaves any latitude for interpretation(and they all do) it can and will be twisted to suit the user. Sometimes it’s harmless, sometimes it’s not. Kinda makes the whole endeavour a lil pointless doncha think?[/QUOTE]
A friend of mine got himself into big trouble for this.
Don’t pretend that you are in higher generation when you actually belong to lower generation.
He was my longfist teacher’s student. My teacher’s teacher GM Han Chin-Tang always like to have 10 students per year for his class. One year he was one student short. My long fist teacher brought him to GM Han and he soon became GM Han’s student.
Here is the problem. My friend was my longfist teacher’s student, but now he is my longfist teacher’s teacher’s student. Should he call my longfist teacher as “teacher”, or should he call my longfist teacher as “brother”?
If He called my longfist teacher as
teacher, he had put down GM Han.
brother, he had put down my longfist teacher.
This may not sound like a problem for non-Chinese. But for Chinese, this can be a serious issue.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1258674]A friend of mine got himself into big trouble for this.
Don’t pretend that you are in higher generation when you actually belong to lower generation.
He was my longfist teacher’s student. My teacher’s teacher GM Han Chin-Tang always like to have 10 students per year for his class. One year he was one student short. My long fist teacher brought him to GM Han and he soon became GM Han’s student.
Here is the problem. My friend was my longfist teacher’s student, but now he is my longfist teacher’s teacher’s student. Should he call my longfist teacher as “teacher”, or should he call my longfist teacher as “brother”?
If He called my longfist teacher as
teacher, he had put down GM Han.
brother, he had put down my longfist teacher.
This may not sound like a problem for non-Chinese. But for Chinese, this can be a serious issue.[/QUOTE]
Shouldn’t the teacher show due respect to his teacher and let it pass? Did GM know it was his students student? Did either student or teachers converse on the subject before hand? Seems like a bunch a dudes stepping on their own dicks to me. It could have been handled more appropriately if permission was not sought, no?
[QUOTE=Syn7;1258677]Shouldn’t the teacher show due respect to his teacher and let it pass? Did GM know it was his students student? Did either student or teachers converse on the subject before hand? Seems like a bunch a dudes stepping on their own dicks to me. It could have been handled more appropriately if permission was not sought, no?
So what was the solution?[/QUOTE]
There will be a longfist brothers meeting in 1/24/2014 Houston tournament. This issue will be surfaced again. I don’t know any solution on this. IMO, there is a difference between student and disciple. In high school, if you join in Kung Fu class, you are just a student. Compare to going through a seriouse disciple ceremony, there is a big difference there.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1258674]A friend of mine got himself into big trouble for this.
Don’t pretend that you are in higher generation when you actually belong to lower generation.
He was my longfist teacher’s student. My teacher’s teacher GM Han Chin-Tang always like to have 10 students per year for his class. One year he was one student short. My long fist teacher brought him to GM Han and he soon became GM Han’s student.
Here is the problem. My friend was my longfist teacher’s student, but now he is my longfist teacher’s teacher’s student. Should he call my longfist teacher as “teacher”, or should he call my longfist teacher as “brother”?
If He called my longfist teacher as
teacher, he had put down GM Han.
brother, he had put down my longfist teacher.
This may not sound like a problem for non-Chinese. But for Chinese, this can be a serious issue.[/QUOTE]
That’s mianzi not wu de.
Maybe that’s the problem.
People make noble proclamations about wu de when really they’re just being petty little bitches because internet won’t give face.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1258674]A friend of mine got himself into big trouble for this.
Don’t pretend that you are in higher generation when you actually belong to lower generation.
He was my longfist teacher’s student. My teacher’s teacher GM Han Chin-Tang always like to have 10 students per year for his class. One year he was one student short. My long fist teacher brought him to GM Han and he soon became GM Han’s student.
Here is the problem. My friend was my longfist teacher’s student, but now he is my longfist teacher’s teacher’s student. Should he call my longfist teacher as “teacher”, or should he call my longfist teacher as “brother”?
If He called my longfist teacher as
teacher, he had put down GM Han.
brother, he had put down my longfist teacher.
This may not sound like a problem for non-Chinese. But for Chinese, this can be a serious issue.[/QUOTE]
That’s mianzi not wu de.
Maybe that’s what happened to this forum.
People make noble proclamations about wu de when really they’re just being petty little bitches because internet won’t give face.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1258674]A friend of mine got himself into big trouble for this.
Don’t pretend that you are in higher generation when you actually belong to lower generation.
He was my longfist teacher’s student. My teacher’s teacher GM Han Chin-Tang always like to have 10 students per year for his class. One year he was one student short. My long fist teacher brought him to GM Han and he soon became GM Han’s student.
Here is the problem. My friend was my longfist teacher’s student, but now he is my longfist teacher’s teacher’s student. Should he call my longfist teacher as “teacher”, or should he call my longfist teacher as “brother”?
If He called my longfist teacher as
teacher, he had put down GM Han.
brother, he had put down my longfist teacher.
This may not sound like a problem for non-Chinese. But for Chinese, this can be a serious issue.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Very much so.
For me, the hiarechey is important for social function only.
It says nothing about your learning or your skills per se.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1258681]internet won’t give face.[/QUOTE]
This is very true. What do you expect when you try to talk to some stranger online? What’s your purpose any way? The reason may be just because you are bored and have nothing better to do.
When you open your window, butterfly may fly in but bugs may fly in too. You truly don’t have choice.
[QUOTE=Miqi;1258645]Hmm… Obviously I can’t be 100% certain, but I’m getting a very strong refractive electro-dissipated micro-vibe that you haven’t got any peer reviewed journal articles out explaining your groundbreaking work, and that those closed-minded science guys who ignore your genius actually do so because your work is not real science. Just a hypothesis, mind you.[/QUOTE] The real science guys that head up the heavily financed programs I have mentioned understand me because I informed them of the spec’s involved and field test results/phenomena that only someone with a functioning prototype could relate.
A good while before the movie “2012” (starring John Cusack) came out I put my theory out on the NET : “AfterViewer’s Theory of Earth’s Rotation” What I claimed (as a logician) is that the Earth’s molten Core and inner core is not in revolution as the mantle/outer shell of the planet is revolving. The current (at the time) accepted understanding that the whole planet is revolving is not possible. It is the movement rotation of the mantle/shell that makes Earth and other planets Electromagnetic generators, and the reason why everything is in flux as one big perpetual motion theory in action. Well, about a year passed by and I heard a lady scientist on the radio (NPR Science Friday interview say: “Oh, it is widely accepted by the scientific community that the Earth’s crust is not attached to the molten core of the planet.” I don’t do peer previews.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1258678]There will be a longfist brothers meeting in 1/24/2014 Houston tournament. This issue will be surfaced again. I don’t know any solution on this. IMO, there is a difference between student and disciple. In high school, if you join in Kung Fu class, you are just a student. Compare to going through a seriouse disciple ceremony, there is a big difference there.[/QUOTE]
I find the politics of this fascinating. Honestly, I guess I’m not attached to a lineage to that extent. I get it though. I’ve never really been into “politically correct” so much… I’m more concern with just “correct”. Know what I mean?
I agree, taking classes that you pay for doesn’t bind you to some loyalty pact. Being a disciple and having made commitments, however, is another matter. Your word is your word. If you enter such agreements, you should always follow through as best you can.
[QUOTE=PalmStriker;1258619]I have successfully created and field tested prototype locking pattern (offset) refractive index to stop a high-intensity beam of light/laser (extinction) in a 1/4 inch depth clear crystal configuration with photon trap concentration (pyramid cone shape). The equivalent of a martial artist being able to stop any kick, punch or strike of any sort while absorbing all of opponents energy. *What most people would consider impossible. Conversation may resume here: http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/79960-refraction-in-terms-of-photons/[/QUOTE]
But can you teach John Wang how to embed a photo in a forum post?
[QUOTE=wenshu;1258695]But can you teach John Wang how to embed a photo in a forum post?[/QUOTE]
But I don’t mean to put a line that you have to click it to open but a physical picture as shown in another forum. So far I have not seen any pictures “physically” appear in this forum yet. Is it a bad design? I start to wonder about that.
