# What happens to Wing Chun when you make it competitive? **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [May 24, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194 "2013-05-24T15:40:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/21 "2013-05-28T19:55:15Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;1231271]Best example? I would depend on a person’s view of what THEY think WC is. The clip I posted simply shows that WC can and has been used VA others, sometimes well, sometimes not as well. Point being there is NO reason NOT to cross test a system, it would be silly not to as a matter of fact ( know thy enemy…).[/QUOTE] Who is saying don’t test? Competition and testing are not equivalent. Ironically, the best wing chun clips in the video you posted (Jerry and Philip from HK vs the xing yi guys) have been dismissed as irrelevant by the mma fan boys. These show skilled practitioners actually using it vs an opponent also trying to impose their style in a free test of skills. ---
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/22 "2013-05-28T19:56:47Z")
[QUOTE=guy b.;1231274]Fighting with and without gloves is different. There is no direct transference of fighting skill from one to the other.[/QUOTE] Ok then. Have a good one. ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/23 "2013-05-28T20:09:53Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;1231278]Ok then. Have a good one.[/QUOTE] No problem ---
**Author:** ![wingchunIan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@wingchunIan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/wingchunIan)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/24 "2013-05-28T21:34:11Z")
[QUOTE=guy b.;1231274]Fighting with and without gloves is different. There is no direct transference of fighting skill from one to the other.[/QUOTE] As someone quoted the other day, it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/25 "2013-05-28T21:35:03Z")
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1231295]As someone quoted the other day, it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.[/QUOTE] Then stop doing so ---
**Author:** ![Wayfaring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bc8723/32.png) [@Wayfaring](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Wayfaring)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/26 "2013-05-28T21:35:56Z")
[QUOTE=guy b.;1231274]Fighting with and without gloves is different. There is no direct transference of fighting skill from one to the other.[/QUOTE] Then you should be really happy if someone set up a bareknuckle match between you and one of the Klitschkos. Actually that would make all of us really happy. ---
**Author:** ![JPinAZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecccb3/32.png) [@JPinAZ](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/JPinAZ)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/27 "2013-05-28T21:43:44Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;1231271]Best example? I would depend on a person’s view of what THEY think WC is. The clip I posted simply shows that WC can and has been used VA others, sometimes well, sometimes not as well. Point being there is NO reason NOT to cross test a system, it would be silly not to as a matter of fact ( know thy enemy…).[/QUOTE] Completely agree. Unfortunately, there are some WC ‘purists’ here that feel doing this would somehow water down or change their WC. 😕 While I don’t subsribe to the need to cross train WC with other arts (except maybe BJJ for ground grappling if one choses), we should all be willing to test ourselves with other arts so we don’t live in a bubble under false illusions that our skills can protect ourselves when needed wihtout ever having tested them. (haha, yeah, run-on sentance) ---
**Author:** ![JPinAZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecccb3/32.png) [@JPinAZ](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/JPinAZ)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/28 "2013-05-28T21:46:26Z")
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1231260]Your obsession with Trolls reminds me of an old friend of mine. He too couldn’t read well… so he just made up words that he thought he could see lol! ;)[/QUOTE] It’s just like a troll, copy out selected bits of someone’s post to troll some more while ignoring any content that is relative to the discussion. Since you’re so against going out and trying your art against other styles, how do you verify whether or not you can confidently ‘drop’ someone in a real confrontations without it? What do you do in your training that gives you this confidence? ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/29 "2013-05-28T21:47:41Z")
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1231297]Then you should be really happy if someone set up a bareknuckle match between you and one of the Klitschkos. Actually that would make all of us really happy.[/QUOTE] There is absolutely no evidence that the Klitschko brothers are effective fighters. ---
**Author:** ![Wayfaring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bc8723/32.png) [@Wayfaring](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Wayfaring)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/30 "2013-05-28T21:50:50Z")
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1231301]Since you’re so against going out and trying your art against other styles, how do you verify whether or not you can confidently ‘drop’ someone in a real confrontations without it? What do you do in your training that gives you this confidence?[/QUOTE] He likes to do compliant chi sau until he gets into a position where he can hold the other guy’s face and dance. if the dancing elicits a “nice movement” comment from his sihings, then he is assured that will be enough to be able to drop someone in an altercation. If you have “nice movement” then you have “good wing chun”. ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/31 "2013-05-28T21:57:26Z")
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1231304]He likes to do compliant chi sau until he gets into a position where he can hold the other guy’s face and dance. if the dancing elicits a “nice movement” comment from his sihings, then he is assured that will be enough to be able to drop someone in an altercation. If you have “nice movement” then you have “good wing chun”.[/QUOTE] Calm down. I think JPinAZ is trolling LoneTiger108 this time. You don’t need to hide behind the emergency face dance script in lieu of genuine argument yet again. Deep breaths champ. ---
**Author:** ![GlennR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GlennR](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GlennR)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/32 "2013-05-28T22:26:50Z")
[QUOTE=guy b.;1231303]There is absolutely no evidence that the Klitschko brothers are effective fighters.[/QUOTE] You sir… are a retard ---
**Author:** ![JPinAZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecccb3/32.png) [@JPinAZ](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/JPinAZ)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/33 "2013-05-28T22:28:09Z")
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1231304]He likes to do compliant chi sau until he gets into a position where he can hold the other guy’s face and dance. if the dancing elicits a “nice movement” comment from his sihings, then he is assured that will be enough to be able to drop someone in an altercation. If you have “nice movement” then you have “good wing chun”.[/QUOTE] haha. You’re probably not far from the truth. What’s funny to me is, people like lone tiger that have a lot to say on what WC is and isn’t, what it should or shouldn’t be, yet refuse to answer any direct questions about what thier own ‘correct’ training methods are that they base all of these views off of. Look how many times you’ve asked guy b the same simple, easy-to-answer questions that always go ignored! I can only assmue they are trolling if they refuse to give any examples of the experience they base their opinions off of. I could be wrong, but the evidence (or lack of) doesn’t show it to be so.. Aa a counter point, any time someone asks you a question, you can list how many days you train, what goes on during that training, who you train with etc. Doesn’t make you more right/wrong that someone else, but it does show you are speaking from your own experiences which goes a long way in my book. ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/34 "2013-05-28T22:45:50Z")
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1231310]Look how many times you’ve asked guy b the same simple, easy-to-answer questions that always go ignored[/QUOTE] Look how many times I’ve asked Wayfaring the same simple, easy-to-answer questions that always go ignored. ---
**Author:** ![JPinAZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecccb3/32.png) [@JPinAZ](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/JPinAZ)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/35 "2013-05-28T22:47:42Z")
How I love ignore 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dragonzbane76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/dragonzbane76/32/799_2.png) [@Dragonzbane76](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Dragonzbane76)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/36 "2013-05-28T22:57:33Z")
> There is absolutely no evidence that the Klitschko brothers are effective fighters. fighters no, boxers yes. ---
**Author:** ![guy\_b](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@guy\_b](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/guy_b)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/37 "2013-05-28T23:29:50Z")
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1231314]fighters no, boxers yes.[/QUOTE] Exactly the case ---
**Author:** ![Dragonzbane76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/dragonzbane76/32/799_2.png) [@Dragonzbane76](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Dragonzbane76)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/38 "2013-05-29T00:38:04Z")
> Exactly the case That doesn’t mean that it would not translate. Yes they would need additional training but the path is well set below there feet, more so than most. ---
**Author:** ![Phil\_Redmond](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/phil_redmond/32/186_2.png) [@Phil\_Redmond](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Phil_Redmond)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/39 "2013-05-29T03:07:36Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;1231249]Not sure why you feel that WC is so inferior to other MA that can make THEIR strikes work with gloves.[/QUOTE] Didn’t WSL say something like, the only way to learn to fight is to fight? Unless you want to get into regular street fights the only way to test your “martial” art is to make it “martial”. Competitions can be a way to test your art under pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Phil\_Redmond](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/phil_redmond/32/186_2.png) [@Phil\_Redmond](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Phil_Redmond)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194/40 "2013-05-29T03:09:32Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;1231270]A good fighter can make anything work.[/QUOTE] No you di’int…LOL [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/what-happens-to-wing-chun-when-you-make-it-competitive/55194.md?page=3)