weapons vs the li ga gunn?

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Sui

Originally posted by Sui
[B]ahhh i see now the fisherman is to do with the number ten[symbol].i too have dabbled but i find it very slow compared to the li ga gunn,infact no comparison to much slashing and going beyond the bodys target.[no offence]
and indeed only a form/patter hardly and art wouldn’t you say?

>>>>>>> Yes, just a pattern. No, not just a pattern. Like many things in my experience with Pak Mei, in learning this simple staff pattern, and in searching for the power to make it work, you discover something that washes across all your technique. I mentioned I like the Rattan staff, because, what I have leanred from the longer one makes it an interesting toy, if you can visualise what I mean. I’m not sure you know the pattern I’m referring to though.

The next point i think you’ve mis read,and i appologise for my lack of explaination…another time with bo-li sorry the tea would change within this conversation to a blend with no name.

>>>>>>>> Who ever understands everything?

long staff short staff?well you catch on well,however you maybe spun in a totally unconcerning direction/position.

>>>>>>> I take your point.

you place your si-fu in this conversation not i and i do not speak of/with him only you?sincerity is hard to read if you are ridged?

>>>>>>> I take no offense and I know none was intended. Lighten up <grin>.

I prefer the bamboo,and it must call to me before i chop away at the plant.pure nature can not be moulded i find.

>>>>>>> Yes, you are a craftsman of sorts aren’t you. I do not doubt you have a sense for the touch. But isn’t it a weakness to be attached to a particular item, to need a particular relationship with a tool to make it work? Perhaps even a bit self indulgent? Perhaps Cloud might weigh in here, he wants to know if the gunn has a life of its own?

>>>>>>> Mind you, everybody has their favourite staff, but when does that become a liability as opposed to an asset?

sorry but i have already printed on this thread the princeples and its up to you to read?

>>>>>>> OK, you’re right. I was just hoping to get you rambling a bit <grin>.

sui [/B]

The grip - it is only the fishing pole that I was taught to hold tightly in the right hand. The left hand has a couple of grips. Why? Perhaps that’s a question for you to answer.

I still remember the first Yau Kung Mun Staff Pattern - (is that luk hup guan FT?)

Our other pattern is Tai Chun Kwan, which is almost identical to the YKM version too.

Yes, 3 “taps”. No lures, live bait…

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Yummy

live bait! hahahaha nice but the fish arent on the bite.:slight_smile:

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so yummy,at the end of the staff does it wither?i ask this b/c most ppl strive for this as i don’t,but to keep it still for transference of energy.

also do you exceed the body’s target?i don’t the point always keep in the perimiter of the body,no waisted movement.
ok i know pin point accuracy is what is needed,but that is what we strive for in the li-ga gunn.
this makes it difficult for other weapons to penetrate.

what do you think to knunshaku against your staff?

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Hya Sui

Does the end wither? I’ll assume that means wobbles, shakes, etc. Yes, if you are attacking with a flexible, like using a long rubber rod to strike at a block, then it wraps around the block and strikes the target. Or if you attack the feet, then recoil it up to take an elbow.

But - that is just one technique, given the right tool.

Otherwise, yes, keep it within the body outline and “stab” or fence.

With the longer Pole, however you can feint outside the body outline, then collect the opponent as they move in, by recoiling and breaking the back of their head open.

knunshaku against your staff? I played knunshaku as a youngster (who didn’t?) and I say little contest, staff wins, all other things being equal…

Do you keep your elbows bent, or straight? Hands how far apart?

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flute staff

have you ever seen the staff held like playing a flute?

:smiley: FT

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Re: flute staff

Originally posted by fiercest tiger
[B]have you ever seen the staff held like playing a flute?

:smiley: FT [/B]

This is third movement of first staff form taught in Vietnamese lineage.
1st movement = waterfall
2nd movement= downward strike
3rd movement = monk playing flute
4th movement = the rooster eating golden rice grain
etc…

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well yummy we don’t stab but poke little.its quite difficult to explain more like strike/bui.

“Do you keep your elbows bent, or straight? Hands how far apart?”

sorry don’t understand elboes bent?how can an elboe bend?do you meen the arm?elboe 's in/out?

the hands about 3 hands inbetween.

how do you breath?same without a staff?or the indifferent?

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"flute staff
have you ever seen the staff held like playing a flute?

FT"

I have. :wink:

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well md i heard you felt it too one time at band camp:D :smiley: :smiley:

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Good morning

Hi Melty, you’re a brave lass indeed throwing your lot in on this thread, rife with double entendres and inuendos. <grin> Nice to see you still alive and kicking.

Sui.
Elbows bent, would also be arms bent. Stab and poke seem pretty close to me. Recoiling is an important element too.

In this particular technique to which I am referring, we keep the leading arm solid, like a pivot, and work the back arm, the one holding the end of the staff, a tiny bit with the elbow, but more with the shoulder and chest.

Because the shoulders are used, and a type of “shock power” you have to breathe correctly to get the power to flow through your arms to the end of the staff. It isn’t easy, but then again, what is?

3 hands apart sounds about right. A little more for a longer staff.

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Good morning

Hi Melty, you’re a brave lass indeed throwing your lot in on this thread, rife with double entendres and inuendos. <grin> Nice to see you still alive and kicking.

Sui.
Elbows bent, would also be arms bent. Stab and poke seem pretty close to me. Recoiling is an important element too.

In this particular technique to which I am referring, we keep the leading arm solid, like a pivot, and work the back arm, the one holding the end of the staff, a tiny bit with the elbow, but more with the shoulder and chest.

Because the shoulders are used, and a type of “shock power” you have to breathe correctly to get the power to flow through your arms to the end of the staff. It isn’t easy, but then again, what is?

3 hands apart sounds about right. A little more for a longer staff.

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sui

man, u fast i was gonna use that line! hahahaha melty, wasnt it a trombone? hehehe

yeah baby!:slight_smile:

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hey f.t as shaggy sez:“it wasn’t me”
i think your possesing my arts you dark lord.

yummy,she lets us know she is about;waiting to pounce?wich isn’t unpleasant i must add:D

yum,you catch on well.
regards to the shoulder?i find that the opponant indicates where you are eg high or low and at what degrees,ok the other is free to pivot.have you tried pivot at two points like a dragon,or even 3???of course no power when a begginer but then again is power essential at first?

as for breath?what would be the"shock power"in one arm attacks?

sorry i’m not suited to the long staff,as i’m not over 6ft

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fiercest tiger:
“hahahaha melty, wasnt it a trombone?”

I figured you’d say that. :wink:

Sui:
“sorry i’m not suited to the long staff”

I figured you’d say that. :wink:

So you heard about band camp? Maybe one day you too will get to go. I took pictures to back up the rumors. :slight_smile:

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yes md i hope i do for i am your geek;)

p.s read any good books lately on how to wield a staff?lol
maybe you could share some details with us?

pp.s long staff seems not to suit you either when it takes 2 ppl just to hold it.lol[one your si-fu] just joking.:smiley:

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Shame on you guys…

Don’t you guys know that melty prefers the chico stick (Puerto Rican poking/whirling stick) I gave her. It’s longer than a short staff, yet shorter than a long staff(by sui’s definition of a long staff) and what she loves the most is it’s girth. Not to mention the damage I showed her it can cause. Right Melty!:smiley:

Melty see next training session.:smiley:

Take care,
Buby

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Bubster!

I can’t say I’ve ever dabbled in the Puerto Rican arts! Being a half-breed and all, I seem to be attracted to more eastern methods. But I’m a southern barbarian girl, so one never knows, do one? However, the girth to which you refer does closely resemble the fatter things I am used to playing. They can cause more damage, but only if one knows how to slip AND grip. :wink:

Sui fuw…

Books, no, do pamphlets count? Then yes, but only those by my sigungs - Lam Chon Gong and Lam Lop Gei, HK Dragon Sign-produced. OK, on a lighter note, I like your ideas on pivot, I can’t believe I overlooked them. To have two pivot points, now there’s for what a girl strives. But THREE? Wow, now you’ve really got my heart racing. Please… do go on. :slight_smile:

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sshhhhh md :wink: its our secret:) "3"the magic number.