I have to do a research project for my Taoism class and I can do a taoist martial art. What martial art is taoist besides Waterboxing? Tai Chi?
And it has to be 8-10 pages, is that possible to dig up that much information? (double spaced)
I believe it is possible to write many many pages on the linkage of taijiquan to Daoism. Look to the taiji classics and the Dao de Jing. There is also a relationship to the ba gua.
Baguazhang has linkages too. Look to links between this and the yi jing.
Xingyiquan has links too. 5 element theory?
Liu He Ba Fa … I don’t know anything about this art. (or the other ones really, but this one even less than nothing)
The linkages of these arts is in the underlying philosophy. I don’t believe it’s necessary to have a knowledge of daoism to practice these arts – but it certainly makes the practice more fun.
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I think I read somewhere that the coach for the LA Lakers and former coach for Jordan’s Chicago Bulls Phil Jackson is a Taoist and applies Taoism to his Offence. Maybe that is something you can look up?
Oh yeah I remember some nba commentator saying that Phil Jackson is " the zen master!"
I got an idea for my project. I didn’t know that hsing yi, and pa kua were taoist styles. I’ll just do all three styles and get an easy 8-10 pages,
If you’re still looking for information regarding Liu Ho Pa Fa; go to http://www.liuhopafa.com/
That’s the current grand master/lineage head of the system’s web site, Wai Lun Choi. You should be able to get quite a bit of info there for your project.
Liu He ba fah has no head master. It is not a southern system, and is not organized in that fashion.
>Shin<
> Liu He ba fah has no head master. It is not a southern system, and is not organized in that fashion.<
Yeah..... Whatever, bud. If you're so knowledgable why don't you let the rest of us who actually train in the system in on your "insights". Yeesh :rolleyes:
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I met a fellow who learned Liu He Ba Fa from Li Dao-Li in Shanghai. He said that Wai Lun Choi was from a different lineage than his.
Swimming Dragon, I think there may be more than a few branches of this art, and although I haven’t researched it myself, it’s pretty hard to believe than anyone is the head master of the whole style.
Wouldn’t it be more fair to say that he is the grandmaster of his particular branch?
-JessO
Hi, Jess. 
>I met a fellow who learned Liu He Ba Fa from Li Dao-Li in Shanghai. He said that Wai Lun Choi was from a different lineage than his.<
That's a complicated matter, Jess. The art there still stems from Wu Yik Fan. The "Shanghai version" has no martial intent, and never has. It's a public variation of the long form. It's mainly for show, and nothing else. Wu, however, did create it, and promote it as "LHPF". In essence giving the masses what they wanted.
There are also several "branches" that have blended other styles with their incomplete knowledge of LHPF. I-Chuan/LHPF, Taiji/LHPF, etc... Plus there are P.R.C. wushu/performance oriented variations i.e. Liang Shou Yu/Helen Liang's version is a prime example. There is also Wei Lun Huang's version which is also a P.R.C. version. I have no idea where that particular form comes from. All I know is that it doesn't adhere to th principles inherent in our branch, nor does it hold any martial value imho.
> I think there may be more than a few branches of this art, and although I haven’t researched it myself, it’s pretty hard to believe than anyone is the head master of the whole style.<
In a way you are correct in the matter, but as I've said, it's complicated. Choi sifu, however, is recognized as the lineage head of the martial style of Hsin I Liu Ho Pa Fa Chuan.
>Wouldn’t it be more fair to say that he is the grandmaster of his particular branch?<
See above. :)
>-JessO<
Drake,
If I remember correctly, the story says that of the generation that taught Wu I Hui, There were five teachers. I think it says that Wu I Hui learned from 3. Do you know if there are surviving branches from any of those 5 besides Mr. Choi’s lineage?
Hey Drake,
Quit obsessing over your teacher and your system, and worry about yourself.
Drake,
Any word on the 12 animals DVD?
Thanks,
LU
Hi, guys.
>Water Dragon
>Drake,
>If I remember correctly, the story says that of the generation that taught Wu I >Hui, There were five teachers. I think it says that Wu I Hui learned from 3. Do >you know if there are surviving branches from any of those 5 besides Mr. Choi’s >lineage?
Essentially, Lar, what I’ve been able to find out is that in those days LHPF was truly a closed door system, and was only very grudgingly taught. The other men who were honored on the lineage tree were very low key about what it was they knew. If they did happen to teach someone else it was very hush-hush. You have to remember the paranoia of the times in that country, and what it did to the people in general. From the information I’ve been able to garner they didn’t teach anyone.
>Shin
>Resident Jerk (very appropriate)
>Hey Drake,
>Quit obsessing over your teacher and your system, and worry about yourself.
Bite me
>looking_up
>Drake,
>Any word on the 12 animals DVD?
Nope. Choi sifu is on his own time table. It'll get done when he wants it done. Sorry. :)
Do you learn Xingyi first before learning the traditional LHBF system? Is there any Bagua in the system? What’s the general order of progression?
Hi, Brad.
>Do you learn Xingyi first before learning the traditional LHBF system?<
I began learning LHPF first, then the chi gung, and then Hsing-I at approximately the same time.
>Is there any Bagua in the system?<
The elements are incorporated into the form.
> What’s the general order of progression?<
In what manner?
> What’s the general order of progression?<
In what manner?
Actually, I think I was just repeating myself, lol. What’s 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. Basically someday, maybe in a couple of years, I’d like to move somewhere else and get out of Ohio, so I just kind of check to see what’s offered in other cities. Right now, I have access to an excellent teacher of Xingyi, Bagua, & Taiji and I’m curious how well what I learned from him could translate over to LHBF if I were to end up in Chicago.
SwimmingDragon- I like the Terry W. quote.
Brad- Who’s your teacher? Are you a Wu-Tan person?
My teacher’s An Tian Rong. We’re not Wu-Tan
Hi, Brad.
>Actually, I think I was just repeating myself, lol. What’s 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.<
Not necessarily. What Choi sifu looks at first is your physical conditioning, and what particular art(s) you’ve been involved with over the years. Your mental state takes part in his decision as well.
For younger people he'll generally just say to start with Lama Pai. Then Hsing-I, or Taiji. Then Pa Qua, and finally LHPF. Some he'll just accept as is, and throw them into whatever class that they want.
It took me some time to convince Choi sifu to let me study LHPF. He wanted me in Hsing-I, or Lama at first. He finally gave in after I essentially just begged. :P
>Basically someday, maybe in a couple of years, I’d like to move somewhere else and get out of Ohio, so I just kind of check to see what’s offered in other cities. Right now, I have access to an excellent teacher of Xingyi, Bagua, & Taiji and I’m curious how well what I learned from him could translate over to LHBF if I were to end up in Chicago.<
The only advice I can give you is to train hard, and pay attention to what's being said. Ask questions when you don't understand, then shut up, and train hard some more. Gung fu= Hard work. It ain't easy, but it's the ultimate narcissistic pursuit. Some, if not all, will translate to LHPF.
Drake,
Face it, you gotta stop coat tailing on your master. Its only annoying and demeaning and embarrassing to your classmates.
I have never once seen you post without mentioning "WLC, the ‘only grandmaster of LHPF’, and how everyone else is fake. When you have seen everyone else, let me know.
In the mean time, the party line is just that.