When people start talking about the real advanced stuff in hung gar, Tid Sin Kuen usually comes up and it is referred as the highest of the forms. So we know that Tit Kiu Sam was the one who introduced it and Wong Kei Ying and Wong Fei Hung all passed it down the lineage. But what about before Tit Kiu Sam, what do you think hung gar was like? Is the hung gar that we think of now all attributed to him? What would have been the internal training before iron wire (if there was any)? I know that gung gee has an internal aspect to it (and gung gee is considered to be the invention of hung hei gwun), but i don’t think that we can say it’s expansive enough. So what do you all think? I hope this makes sense… 
Hopefully those of you with more history knowledge can help out with this.
Peace
[This message has been edited by illusionfist (edited 07-18-2000).]