http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxp4SJt7V7M
enjoy
[QUOTE=Ernie;868601]http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxp4SJt7V7M
enjoy[/QUOTE]
Great master with many fight finishing moves and excellent body unity.
Did you see the phoenix eye strike to the throat? Is that typical of Yip Man Wing Chun?
[QUOTE=Ernie;868601]http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxp4SJt7V7M
enjoy[/QUOTE]
Great master with many fight finishing moves and excellent body unity.
Did you see the phoenix eye strike to the throat? Is that typical of Yip Man Wing Chun?
Yip Man’s Foshan students, e.g. Lun Gai, emphasizes the phoenix eye punch. It is used in the first 2 forms that I know of (I didn’t learn the other ones).
Thanks Ernie! Good clip!
[QUOTE=CFT;868670]Yip Man’s Foshan students, e.g. Lun Gai, emphasizes the phoenix eye punch. It is used in the first 2 forms that I know of (I didn’t learn the other ones).[/QUOTE]
The phoenix eye fist plays a significant role in Wing Chun Mantis. 
I’ve always liked Sifu Leung’s WC, always fast and powerful, lost of forward angling pressure and lot’s of PE fists.
Too bad I haven’t seen it VS non-WC.
[QUOTE=CFT;868670]Yip Man’s Foshan students, e.g. Lun Gai, emphasizes the phoenix eye punch. It is used in the first 2 forms that I know of (I didn’t learn the other ones).[/QUOTE]
Interesting, in Siu Lam Wing Chun the phoenix eye manifests itself in the Biu Jee level (together with leopard and Dragon Fist as well as Tiger Claw techniques).
The opening of the Biu Jee (not my level yet) includes a Phoenix Eye strike.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;868712]Interesting, in Siu Lam Wing Chun the phoenix eye manifests itself in the Biu Jee level (together with leopard and Dragon Fist as well as Tiger Claw techniques).
The opening of the Biu Jee (not my level yet) includes a Phoenix Eye strike.[/QUOTE]
In Augustine Fong’s version of Yip Man WCK, the Phoenix Eye strike is in the 2nd half of the dummy form as well as the Biu Gee form.
[QUOTE=KPM;868715]In Augustine Fong’s version of Yip Man WCK, the Phoenix Eye strike is in the 2nd half of the dummy form as well as the Biu Gee form.[/QUOTE]
I think I remember my Sifu mentioning Phoenix Eye in BJ as well. Just briefly, though.
excellent …! his cutting strikes that flank the arms :D:D:D subtle
[QUOTE=k gledhill;868731]excellent …! his cutting strikes that flank the arms :D:D:D subtle[/QUOTE]
That’s that ‘cutting’ tactic that you keep bringing up!
Your favorite!
Best,
Kenton
The reason for doing chi-sao…developmental , systematic , ‘stages’ … WKL is stopping when he gets the student turned … both arms can do this once the side is ‘taken’ …if the student attempts to turn against the strikes the other side is attacked using the same idea, without stopping with a ‘hard’ block …let the guy turn and open himself up .You just keep shooting . Ideally the student would counter with his /her own cutting strikes attacking the attacking strike…training with each other for this end…not trying to stick or over trap …good stuff.
theres a story about when YIP man was teaching and hit a water tower with a pheonix fist and left a big dent.
You can see were it would fit in CK in the first section after the two jum sao’s we do it with a finger strike (normally used to pass over a strike which is how the fut san people use it. Also as a eye gouge.) Sifu Gwok Fu mentioned that he taught it in fut san but changed it to the punch we do due to economy and the fact the elbow can be kept down which can be used as a block. As the pheonix fist gluides over the opponents and does not deviate the attack as much as the normal punch.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;868754]The reason for doing chi-sao…developmental , systematic , ‘stages’ … WKL is stopping when he gets the student turned … both arms can do this once the side is ‘taken’ …if the student attempts to turn against the strikes the other side is attacked using the same idea, without stopping with a ‘hard’ block …let the guy turn and open himself up .You just keep shooting . Ideally the student would counter with his /her own cutting strikes attacking the attacking strike…training with each other for this end…not trying to stick or over trap …good stuff.[/QUOTE]
I can see the logic. But doesn’t this require an over-committed punch?
Just for my own sake, I have been watching this basic cutting motion for some time after you talking about it. My only question is how do you pull this cutting action off when you have someone who is locked on the centre and not turning themselves? Do you make them not face you either with a step or by moving them? Are there other options?
(Might be a heck of a lot easier to show than to talk about it on the forum)
Best,
Kenton
[QUOTE=couch;868786]I can see the logic. But doesn’t this require an over-committed punch?
Just for my own sake, I have been watching this basic cutting motion for some time after you talking about it. My only question is how do you pull this cutting action off when you have someone who is locked on the centre and not turning themselves? Do you make them not face you either with a step or by moving them? Are there other options?
(Might be a heck of a lot easier to show than to talk about it on the forum)
Best,
Kenton[/QUOTE]
You mean in chi sao ? or fighting from no pre-contact ?
[QUOTE=bennyvt;868783]theres a story about when YIP man was teaching and hit a water tower with a pheonix fist and left a big dent.
You can see were it would fit in CK in the first section after the two jum sao’s we do it with a finger strike (normally used to pass over a strike which is how the fut san people use it. Also as a eye gouge.) Sifu Gwok Fu mentioned that he taught it in fut san but changed it to the punch we do due to economy and the fact the elbow can be kept down which can be used as a block. As the pheonix fist gluides over the opponents and does not deviate the attack as much as the normal punch.[/QUOTE]
See my comments about the Phoenix Eye Fist on the Wing Chun Mantis thread.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;868877]You mean in chi sao ? or fighting from no pre-contact ?[/QUOTE]
To (hopefully) prevent too complex an explanation, how about like in the video - Chi Sau.
we can angle etc..we also allow the guy to move and simply cut into the space his mistakes make. Overturning, wrists try to block [ ‘elbows in’ in SLT for a reason] .
The tan & Jum are our strikes , one takes the elbow off the line, the other on the line .
Together , either side they control the line while striking in rotation.
We can use seung ma toi ma drills to build angling to centered lines of force coming at us randomly from either side, each partner does this to make it instinctive…step in / angle back and to the sides while striking the attempted strike. The strike can be any combo of techniques while angling in or offline to the given line of force by your partner…
actually quite hard to master but easy to understand.. the better you get the more aligned you feel, while your structured counters and attacks focus point increases to make you a whole unit attacking on a line , not just an arm hinging at the shoulder when it meets force and goes off target…
Philipp Bayer is a great example of what can be achieved by this training.
got to go striped bass fishing , more later…
[QUOTE=k gledhill;868959]we can angle etc..we also allow the guy to move and simply cut into the space his mistakes make. Overturning, wrists try to block [ ‘elbows in’ in SLT for a reason] .
The tan & Jum are our strikes , one takes the elbow off the line, the other on the line .
Together , either side they control the line while striking in rotation.
We can use seung ma toi ma drills to build angling to centered lines of force coming at us randomly from either side, each partner does this to make it instinctive…step in / angle back and to the sides while striking the attempted strike. The strike can be any combo of techniques while angling in or offline to the given line of force by your partner…
actually quite hard to master but easy to understand.. the better you get the more aligned you feel, while your sturtured counters and attacks increases to make you a whole unit , not just an arm hinging at the shoulder when it meets force and goes off target…
Philipp Bayer is a great example of what can be achieved by this training.
got to go striped bass fishing , more later…[/QUOTE]
Great explanation!
Enjoy the fishing trip.
We’ll chat more soon,
Kenton
More clips with Sifu Wan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTu31OL73jM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIR8aPOKGn8