# UFC/Pride **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [January 25, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861 "2003-01-25T07:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![grifter721](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@grifter721](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/grifter721)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/1 "2003-01-25T07:55:54Z")
I was just perusing through the main board and I saw something on Kung fu in the pride/ufc type things… They lost obiously, I say obviously becaue I think that the people that join these things are absolutely WORTHLESS at their styles of Kung fu. I have seen quite a few kung fu vs the world clips/videos and the level of skill has just bneen SHEEEEEEET. So my question is what do you guys think about Kung fu in Pride, and Ufc? I think that if a legitamate contender actuially steps into the ring liek a fully trained and knowlegeable Mnatis guy walks in there everybody is finsished…IF THEY KNOW WHat they are doing. (Unless there is a lucky punch, everybody gets lucky) I watch the ufc and pride and most not all of these guys dont know how to effectivly attack…Only a few of these MMA guys do I give espect to…B.j Penn, ortiz…TO AN extent, cuz he would get EATEN by a good Mantis dude…and a few others that I dint care to remebr their names… so yeah waht do you gusy think of Mantis in the ufc and the ufc in general ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/2 "2003-01-26T00:45:05Z")
So my question is what do you guys think about Kung fu in Pride, and Ufc? I think that if a legitamate contender actuially steps into the ring liek a fully trained and knowlegeable Mnatis guy walks in there everybody is finsished…IF THEY KNOW WHat they are doing. (Unless there is a lucky punch, everybody gets lucky) people said the same thing about wing chun until a wc guy stepped in the ring and got molested… Then they all said the guy that entered was no good. The same thing would happen if a mantis guy entered - if he lost you would hear “But he wasn’t a GOOD mantis guy” I watch the ufc and pride and most not all of these guys dont know how to effectivly attack…Only a few of these MMA guys do I give espect to… Step into the ring and make them look bad then… ortiz…TO AN extent, cuz he would get EATEN by a good Mantis dude…and a few others that I dint care to remebr their names… I’d love to see it. but face it, a mantis guy will not set foot into the octagon. I think CMA in general could do well, if they trained for the fight properly. This includes learning some ground work also. ---
**Author:** ![quiet\_man](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/quiet_man/32/358_2.png) [@quiet\_man](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/quiet_man)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/3 "2003-01-26T00:51:26Z")
I think Bob Sapp needs to learn Bagua zhang 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ShaolinTiger00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@ShaolinTiger00](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/ShaolinTiger00)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 1:05am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/4 "2003-01-26T01:05:02Z")
I think that if a legitamate contender actuially steps into the ring liek a fully trained and knowlegeable Mnatis guy walks in there everybody is finsished…IF THEY KNOW WHat they are doing. (Unless there is a lucky punch, everybody gets lucky) When I fell to the ground from the laughter, I hit my head on my desk. Swear to God. This is why kungfu is finished. ---
**Author:** ![fa\_jing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee7513/32.png) [@fa\_jing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/fa_jing)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/5 "2003-01-26T01:43:19Z")
“When I fell to the ground from the laughter, I hit my head on my desk. Swear to God.” More time practice breakfalls you!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/6 "2003-01-26T02:51:40Z")
UFC 6 and 7 UFC alternate Joel Sutton was trained by Grandmaster Sun and won both of his fights with specific training the Grandmaster gave him. After that he got \*\*\*\*y, got fat, stopped training with Grandmaster and sought out the gracies. He has never won since. He learned basic kicking, punching, throwing and iron head. In amateur UFC matches, 8 step fighters from the midwest have won competitions in Sioux City and in South Dakota. Pure mantis. The difference is the intensity of training. Those guys that won train upwards of 5 hours a day and do 150 single leg squats, 30,000 punches in an hour, lots of tai chi, app training and sparring. your 2 hours a week won’t make you a baddass. ---
**Author:** ![Felipe\_Bido](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/felipe_bido/32/122_2.png) [@Felipe\_Bido](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Felipe_Bido)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/7 "2003-01-26T03:56:08Z")
Damn, Stacey, that was sweet ---
**Author:** ![Sho](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sho/32/184_2.png) [@Sho](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sho)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/8 "2003-01-26T11:50:14Z")
I agree 100% with Stacy. Most of the kung fu people’s training is just inadequate compared to the guys who actually win in these competitions. 42 hours of intensive training per week focusing on the ring sport would give kung fu practitioners more chance of winning in UFC or Pride. The MMA guys competing in these events only train for the ring, thus they are adept in the ring. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 2:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/9 "2003-01-26T14:04:58Z")
it’s true, a very large percentage of people currently enrolled in Martial arts schools, (any martial arts school) are not training for uFC or NHB matches. If you don’t train for an event, then you likely aren’t going to do well in it. It has little to do with “this style” or “that style” and just what is a “good” kungfu stylist anyway? In short, there isn’t any martial art out there that has the answers. a martial art is a template, the practitioner is the result. cheers ---
**Author:** ![Oso](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/oso/32/63_2.png) [@Oso](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Oso)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/10 "2003-01-26T15:29:54Z")
hasn’t this been done before??? it’s the training, or lack there of. anyway… OT to this thread but PRIDE oriented… I notice that the local Suncoast has a bunch of PRIDE tapes pretty reasonably priced. Can anyone point me to some specific fights/match ups that are pretty good from a technical standpoint? I’m not especially interested in the more brutal fights but in who was using good technique. Regardless of style. TIA Matt ---
**Author:** ![ShaolinTiger00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@ShaolinTiger00](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/ShaolinTiger00)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/11 "2003-01-26T15:43:45Z")
Its not just the amount of time training boys, its the techniques trained that are just as important. Give me a guy training NHB 2x/week and he’ll school a 2x/week wing chun(example) 9 outta 10.. You put a “praying mantis” guy in the ring and even though he’s been training his style for 6 hours a day/ 6 days a week for the last year preparing for the fight. - he’s going to get mauled. fa jing- good point!😉 ---
**Author:** ![Volcano\_Admim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/volcano_admim/32/305_2.png) [@Volcano\_Admim](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Volcano_Admim)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/12 "2003-01-26T16:11:57Z")
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**Author:** ![ShaolinTiger00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@ShaolinTiger00](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/ShaolinTiger00)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/13 "2003-01-26T16:16:21Z")
LOL ! ---
**Author:** ![Oso](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/oso/32/63_2.png) [@Oso](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Oso)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/14 "2003-01-26T18:13:09Z")
[i]Its not just the amount of time training boys, its the techniques trained that are just as important. Give me a guy training NHB 2x/week and he’ll school a 2x/week wing chun(example) 9 outta 10.. You put a “praying mantis” guy in the ring and even though he’s been training his style for 6 hours a day/ 6 days a week for the last year preparing for the fight. - he’s going to get mauled.[/i] agreed, mostly. I still believe the information is in most CMA systems to compete in some of these events but it’s not trained with the intensity or attitude that nhb/mma people are training, sadly enough. but anyway, I guess I’ll post my other question in the martial media forum. ---
**Author:** ![Merryprankster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/merryprankster/32/102_2.png) [@Merryprankster](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Merryprankster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/15 "2003-01-27T02:04:06Z")
Sigh, NO THEY DON’T!!! The guys at the VERY top (UFC and PRIDE) are pros and do it constantly. Ditto for the guys just below those levels. But there are plenty of venues for the new amateur. Fire and Ice, Excalibur, Reality Fighting, Sportfighting, just to name a few. I believe Battlejax throws some amateur events. The guys doing the ringfighting at these levels are 6 day a week amateurs too–like me. ---
**Author:** ![Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chang_style_novice/32/110_2.png) [@Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chang_Style_Novice)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/16 "2003-01-27T02:39:27Z")
What was “no they don’t” responding to, Merry? ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 5:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/17 "2003-01-27T05:38:25Z")
> Originally posted by Chang Style Novice > What was “no they don’t” responding to, Merry? my guess is this: “I still believe the information is in most CMA systems to compete in some of these events but it’s not trained with the intensity or attitude that nhb/mma people are training, sadly enough.” ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Souders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Brad\_Souders](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Brad_Souders)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/18 "2003-01-27T05:47:57Z")
If u think with the way the evolution of MMA has grown u can go out with a one style mind set you are very very wrong. Box a wrestler, Wrestle a boxer is a good quote BUT What do you put behind ? a MMAer. The answer is what? Brad " i didn’t read past the first post" Souders BTW Merry when u start coming to the Chambersburg event and we get everything rolling i’ll be sure to keep your belt polished for you. I’ll try and keep it as shiny as what mine will be. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chang_style_novice/32/110_2.png) [@Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chang_Style_Novice)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 5:57am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/19 "2003-01-27T05:57:52Z")
Sevenstar - I thought it could be that, but I couldn’t figure out who the “they” might be. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861/20 "2003-01-27T06:03:33Z")
“they” are the cma guys who don’t train with the same intensity as the mma guys [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ufc-pride/17861.md?page=2)