# Troy (the Movie) **URL:** \ **Category:** Martial Media and Popular Culture\ **Created:** [May 16, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948 "2004-05-16T23:21:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mickey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mickey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/mickey)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/1 "2004-05-16T23:21:06Z")
Greetings, This movie has fantastic fight choreography that is so original it outclasses Matrix and Gladiator. I give it 12 stars out of ten. Brad Pitt played the part of Achilles well. mickey ---
**Author:** ![T\_ai\_Ji\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@T\_ai\_Ji\_Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/T_ai_Ji_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/2 "2004-05-16T23:24:56Z")
Re: OT: Troy is the BOMB!!! > Originally posted by mickey > [B]Greetings, This movie has fantastic fight choreography that is so original it outclasses Matrix and Gladiator. I give it 12 stars out of ten. Brad Pitt played the part of Achilles well. mickey [/B] Should be good with Wolgang Petersen of movies like (Das Boot, The neverending Story, Enemy Mine, Outbreak, etc) as director, 😃 Still some time till it comes to the Cinemas here. ---
**Author:** ![IronFist](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ironfist/32/16_2.png) [@IronFist](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/IronFist)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2004, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/3 "2004-05-16T23:55:23Z")
My problems with the movie: ----spoiler alert---- 1. No mention was made of Achilles’ heel. So at the end of the movie, people who don’t know the story will be like wtf? 2. The move that he uses to kill that big guy at the beginning; he uses it like 4 or 5 times throughout the movie. I thought that was kind of excessive. 3. In a few places the dialogue was a bit cheesy. ----spoiler over---- Other than that, it was cool, tho. ---
**Author:** ![YinYangDagger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/yinyangdagger/32/427_2.png) [@YinYangDagger](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YinYangDagger)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/4 "2004-05-17T02:58:00Z")
IF - Kinda how like muay thai guys keep using that tricky shin kick to the thigh - why do they keep doing that? 😃 I myself thing the movie was highly racist! ---
**Author:** ![Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chang_style_novice/32/110_2.png) [@Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chang_Style_Novice)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/5 "2004-05-17T03:03:21Z")
In addition to being racist against Tom Cruise, I am also racist against Brad Pitt, except when he is directed by David Fincher (Se7en, Fight Club.) I’ve copied this summary of several reviews from IMDB, which portrays response as pretty mixed. > The question is: Can all the soldiers in Troy withstand the onslaught of just about all the movie critics in America? Noting that the film is based on Homer’s The Iliad, Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times writes, “Homer’s estate should sue. The movie sidesteps the existence of the Greek gods, turns its heroes into action movie clichĂ©s and demonstrates that we’re getting tired of computer-generated armies.” Ty Burr in the Boston Globe minces few words as he lays into “this surprisingly lumbering $200-million disappointment.” John Anderson in Newsday describes it as “a big slab of cheese.” But what most of the critics particularly object to are the performances of the three male leads. “The worst casting in recent Hollywood history,” comments Jonathan Foreman in the New York Post. Michael Sragow in the Baltimore Sun describes the casting as going “woefully awry.” Indeed, the only real praise being dished out by the critics in their reviews goes to Peter O’Toole, who plays Priam. His performance, writes Carrie Rickey in the Philadelphia Inquirer, “should earn O’Toole the competitive Oscar he has thus far been denied.” Philip Wuntch in the Dallas Morning News comments that “it is Mr. O’Toole’s heartbroken Priam whom you’ll remember most vividly.” Several critics, strangely, appear to take a neutral stance towards the film. Kenneth Turan in the Los Angeles Times, for example, gives it “a split decision.” A. O. Scott in the New York Times comments that “for what it is – a big, expensive, occasionally campy action movie full of well-known actors speaking in well-rounded accents – Troy is not bad.” In fact, Michael Wilmington of the Chicago Tribune is among the handful of critics who found it to be quite good. Troy, he writes: “is a huge, all-star sword-and-sandals epic, but it has all kinds of compensating rewards: flair and sweep, raging excitement, intriguing characters, visual grandeur–and a scenic force and dramatic intelligence.” And Claudia Puig in USA Today calls the movie “entertainingly epic eye candy 
 a gripping, well-told adaptation of one of the oldest human dramas.” I’d forgotten it has Peter O’Toole, whom I am NOT racist against. Still, I ain’t going out of my way to see Troy, although I am about 60% through Ulysses. mmm
James Joyce
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**Author:** ![Shaolinlueb](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/shaolinlueb/32/425_2.png) [@Shaolinlueb](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shaolinlueb)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/6 "2004-05-17T03:33:42Z")
im not interested in it. van helsing looks better. not by much. ---
**Author:** ![YinYangDagger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/yinyangdagger/32/427_2.png) [@YinYangDagger](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YinYangDagger)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 4:10am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/7 "2004-05-17T04:10:57Z")
Van Helsing is racist, too ---
**Author:** ![shaolin\_kungfu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@shaolin\_kungfu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/shaolin_kungfu)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/8 "2004-05-17T04:27:59Z")
This thread is racist. ---
**Author:** ![CaptinPickAxe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CaptinPickAxe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CaptinPickAxe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/9 "2004-05-17T04:30:49Z")
I’ll cut to the chase
 YOU ARE RACIST!!! ---
**Author:** ![joedoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dc4da7/32.png) [@joedoe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/joedoe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/10 "2004-05-17T04:31:13Z")
Van Helsing was entertaining but had a few holes in the story. Still enjoyed it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CaptinPickAxe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CaptinPickAxe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CaptinPickAxe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 4:33am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/11 "2004-05-17T04:33:27Z")
> Van Helsing was entertaining but had a few holes in the story Not the story
ITS SOUL! BECAUSE ITS RACIST!!! ---
**Author:** ![Serpent](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/serpent/32/62_2.png) [@Serpent](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Serpent)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/12 "2004-05-17T06:27:54Z")
I saw Troy and quite enjoyed it. It did leave me with two burning questions, however: 1. How come all the Greek heroes were smoothly hair free and pale skinned? I mean, come on, they’re Greek! (Is that racist?) 2. Will Orlando Bloom ever be cast in a film where he doesn’t have to use a long bow at some point? ---
**Author:** ![rubthebuddha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@rubthebuddha](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rubthebuddha)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 6:35am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/13 "2004-05-17T06:35:31Z")
i don’t remember will turner ever using a longbow. closest i remember him coming to a bow in pirates of ze carribean was the bowsprit. ---
**Author:** ![joedoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dc4da7/32.png) [@joedoe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/joedoe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/14 "2004-05-17T06:37:43Z")
I noticed that Troy not only has Legolas cast in it, it also has Boromir! ---
**Author:** ![Serpent](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/serpent/32/62_2.png) [@Serpent](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Serpent)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 6:48am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/15 "2004-05-17T06:48:28Z")
> Originally posted by rubthebuddha > i don’t remember will turner ever using a longbow. closest i remember him coming to a bow in pirates of ze carribean was the bowsprit. Hairy muff. I haven’t seen Pirates
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**Author:** ![Tit\_Sa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tit\_Sa](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Tit_Sa)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 9:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/16 "2004-05-17T09:30:11Z")
I think Russel Wong would have played a better Achilles, or even Jet Li. Certainly make fights scenes better than Brad Spitt. ---
**Author:** ![Internal\_Boxer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7993a0/32.png) [@Internal\_Boxer](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Internal_Boxer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 11:23am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/17 "2004-05-17T11:23:56Z")
Tit Sa that just plain racism!!!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kristoffer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/kristoffer/32/36_2.png) [@Kristoffer](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Kristoffer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/18 "2004-05-17T11:51:24Z")
Troy looks so \*\*\*\*ing bad I aint going near that \*\*\*\*. And who the hell said Van Hellsing was good? It was like a Disney-Hollywood-Sell-out version of a wannabe horror movie. 200 million on special effects doesn’t make a good movie. Yea I’m racist! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![unkokusai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ac91a4/32.png) [@unkokusai](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/unkokusai)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/19 "2004-05-17T14:41:22Z")
> Originally posted by Tit Sa > I think Russel Wong would have played a better Achilles, or even Jet Li. Certainly make fights scenes better than Brad Spitt. :rolleyes: The one trick pony returns! ---
**Author:** ![red5angel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/red5angel/32/219_2.png) [@red5angel](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/red5angel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948/20 "2004-05-17T14:44:01Z")
here’s my take on this movie (haven’t seen it yet) and all movies like it. First - It’s not the fukking book/calssic story/poem, what have you so don’t go comparing it. If you go into the movie expecting it to be, your an idiot who apprently hasn’t bothered to see many movies lately based on other things. Second - it’s got lots of fighting and battles - that’s cool with me. The effects look good from the previews I’ve seen so I’ll probbaly enjoy it as a movie based very loosely on the story. Third - It stars some actors who aren’t ancient greeks, and who don’t know how ancient greeks behaved, talked or anything else. That means I’m not going to go in expecting it to be straight out of the history books and as authentic as possible. It was obviously put together to entertain me, so barring some catastrophicly terrible writing or acting, I will most likley do just that, enjoy it. Fourth - it’s most likely a racist plot against someone on the face of tha planet anyway. In short, don’t expect it to be the Illiad, and don’t expect it to be accurate to that story, or history in anyway, and you will most likely enjoy the movie. I enjoyed Braveheart, it was terribly inaccurate, and probably offenisve to anyone who takes their scottish history seriously, but it was still a fun movie. I enjoyed Gladiator, it continued hollywoods series of inaccurate but lossely based on history, movies. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/troy-the-movie/26948.md?page=2)