“The triads are entirely antagonistic to freemasonry” --Deputy provincial Grand master of British freemasonry in China 1855
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Oh boy am I going to have fun with these twisted
brainwashed fools that worship a form of goverment
that is responsible for the deaths of countless
MILLIONS in the last century,The numbers make Hitler’s rule look like a drive by shooting.
BTW,You just might be shocked if you knew what these wanna be super power mad freaks have in store for the world.
HAHAHAHAHA ! go get em’
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Well guys, in all respect, I can see you guys have no idea about these things.
You need 5 guys with no moral and ethical values, allot of power lust, and good leadership skill to run a country in this way (Like China, Cuba, etc)
As for the rest of the world trying to over throw them… I salute you if you could! For 45 years my country was ruled by what we call the “Broederbond” - Translated as the Brotherbond/ brother hood - and not really the political goverment. These guys were behind everything, and the goverment was just players in the same game (obviously some of the old presidents were members of the gang). The rest of the world tried for over 45 years to convince these power freaks to give up, but all the pressure they put on the old goverment, just made the goverment stronger. Like China, our country was heavily sanctioned byt the UN. All that did, was force us to rely on internal production. Our economy was much stronger then, and our currency was way more worth in those days. Whats bad for one, is good for the other.
Yeah, as in China, many people died and many were slaughtered, so we are happy its over now. But just as all good things could have bad effects, bad things could have good effects. Im merely saying that unless you live in China, rather stay out of their inhouse political struggles. The facts arent always on the table, and people in other countries dont always see or hear the real truth. As in everything in life, its all a realitive. Its all a matter of opinion to say who is right, and who is wrong.
Politics are so involved, that we should rather keep to what we do best, and worry about our own lives, than those of people we never met before.
Its cruel.. I know, but before we label people incorrectly, rather not lable them at all.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Oh boy am I going to have fun with these twisted brainwashed fools that worship a form of goverment that is responsible for the deaths of countless MILLIONS in the last century,The numbers make Hitler’s rule look like a drive by shooting. [/quote]
Anyone can turn this quote around and say the same about America going to Vietnam, the bombing of Nagasaki, the boxer rebellion… to name a few
“worship a form of goverment
that is responsible for the deaths of countless
MILLIONS in the last century,The numbers make Hitler’s rule look like a drive by shooting.”
I dont get, what do you mean?
Geeze guys
Communisim= Murder,dropping the Atom bomb on Japan
was a horrible but at the time a necessary life saver of Soldiers that were scheduled to invade in
the latter part of 1945.
I take no pleasure in death.
Vietnam,a bad move on my country’s part.
The Communist form of goverment is nothing but
a brutal way of opressing the masses.
“The facts arent always on the table, and people in other countries dont always see or hear the real truth.”
I’ve seen the opressed,seen the dead bodies and watched them bloat,they were on the ground,not the table.
My goverments far from perfect,they **** me off often when they go against the ideas that my country was founded on.
Oppresion is just what it is,no matter how you package it.
Please do not confuse Politics with murder.
Confucius taught us about filial piety. The highest level of this is respect and complete obedience to your government. To use words such as “worshiping” etc, borders on offensive arguments. This is a kung fu forum, and not a forum on politics, but the topic is of this kind that it could relate to many things (even kung fu training). Allow me to disagree with some of you, and I will allow you to disagree with me.
Your opening statement:
“Communisim= Murder,dropping the Atom bomb on Japan
was a horrible but at the time a necessary life saver of Soldiers that were scheduled to invade in the latter part of 1945. I take no pleasure in death. “
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. I am not a communist, BUT, communism is an ideology that could work in certain instances. Maybe later we could go into a long discussion on the pros and cons of communism, and what it can do for the people, and what it cant.
Communism does NOT equal Death. People do. Even in a so-called Democratic government, there will never be democracy. On the issue of China and communism… well, that’s their problem. It seems to work for the majority, why worry about it?
“dropping the Atom bomb on Japan was a horrible but at the time a necessary life saver of Soldiers that were scheduled to invade in the latter part of 1945â€
This is what Im talking about. The bomb was dropped five days after the Emperor of Japan surrendered. If you want, I can quote some historical facts to you. Also, how do you justify killing hundreds of people, just to save a few soldiers?
“ I take no pleasure in death. “
Neither do I. For your information, I’m a vegetarian. Don’t confuse the topic. The issue is not about death and killing, its about politics and perceptions.
“The Communist form of goverment is nothing but a brutal way of opressing the masses.â€
That’s your opinion! You don’t live in a communist country do you? Why should you care anyways? If you have to ask the majority of Chinese people where their loyalty would be, you would most probably find them saying to their country. The same government that you critisise. RESPECT that. In a country such as China, to protect the people in this way, is maybe the best possible solution. Sometimes, one have to give, to be able to take. Have you ever read the book called ANIMAL FARM? We might not like it, but oppression in this way, is way better than total anarchi.
“â€I’ve seen the opressed, seen the dead bodies and watched them bloat,they were on the ground,not the table. “â€
Correction. You saw reports of the oppressed; you saw reports of the dead bodies. I saw it too. I feel sorry for them. I do pity them. I see and understand your point. But, we don’t always see the whole picture. We see visuals of dead bodies, and starved children. We all feel sorry for these people. What we see is just the effect. And it is not even the whole picture (Its like watching the end of a Action movie first, and see how the ‘hero’ kill the bad guy). What you don’t see, is the senseless killing of innocent farmers, invasions and hostile take overs of property (which was fairly bought and paid for), and RAPE. This, then mostly done or caused by outsiders. Non-citizens from neighboring countries. Don’t you expect your government to protect you from things like this? Every time masses are being slaughtered at once it makes the headlines, but daily, tens of thousands of people are being murdered (individually) who are not even being mentioned. Yeah I do understand why human rights groups act on events such as the slaughter of students at Tsquare, the mass executions in Nigeria, and I do see why the world get so agro, but as I said before, you see it your way, its your opinion.
Eg. The UN and CNN (mostly CNN) want people to think Sadam Hussein is the bad guy. Im not arguing about that, all I’m saying is that everytime the USA bombed and killed innocent people in the gulf war, there were riots in my country amongst angry Moslem fundamentalists against the USA. If they really felt oppressed, why then stand together and fight against the people who are supposable there to rescue them?
Why should governments intervene into the in-house regulations of other governments? Why should you have army aircraft from a distant country doing patrols in an area that does not even pose a threat to their country? Why should one country have to send troupes to Korea to get training is Jungle warfare, when there are no signs of war between these countries??
I live in Africa, and have been to many places in this continent. I honor and respect my people and the people of this place. I want you to look at the situation from a different view. When help is needed, why not give help in the form of support, education, and moral guidance, rather than to protest about something we don’t know much about.
Heck, I come from an ethnic minority group. My people are being threatened daily. We even had to face issues of ethnic ‘cleansing’ at some stage. I can tell you these things, because I am right in the middle of these things.
Politics are Politcs - Unless you can bring positve CHANGE, dont engage in senseless aruments about things you dont know.
Politics
Eddie,
To answer these questions, that’s because those “rogue countries” are not fit to goven themselves. they don’t have a modern political system and their government refuse to acknowledge the United States consitution, freedom of speech, human rights and the American way of life.
The world is a much safer place with the United States patrolling their coastlines. Do you ever consider the sacrifice these young American soldiers are making and the stress from the responsibilities the Presidant of the United States is going through knowing that the sons and daughters of America are risking their lifes to make the world a safer place?
I can tell you that I’m proud of this great nation and proud to be American.
If it was not for our great nation, we probably would not have the luxuary of having this conversation today. Instead, we’ll probably be living under the communist oppression of Soviet or Chinese rule. Do you want that? Do you want to see your children and grand children and great grand children loose the most basic right of free speech and not being able to go down to the local K-Mart and buy themselves a pop soda?
You should be thankful for what you’ve got. god bless America, the fine people and our great President.
Maximus Materialize!
Ego Extrodinaire
For once,thank you.
Eddie,you assume too much,I’ve seen them,not on TV
but up close and personal,have friends and family that have died because of that form of goverment.
My comments were aimed towards that form of goverment,if you choose to defend communism then I have something personal against you.
Get you facts straight,
If the PRC didn’t have nukes aimed at me I would not be so concerned.
It was a Navy plane in international waters,
not an Army plane.
Why should one country send troups to Korea when there are no signs of war between these countries??
You have never patrolled the DMZ between North and South Korea,you have no clue what you’re talking about.
I have, in addition to other places.
The USA Jungle Warfare School is not in Korea.
“dont engage in senseless aruments about things you dont know.”
Right back at cha.
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Would a demonstration drop of a nuclear bomb off the coast of Japan have got an ending to the war?
Ego and Wingtsunstudent,
>Eddie,you assume too much,I’ve seen them,not on TV
but up close and personal,have friends and family that have died because of that form of goverment.>
Sorry for you. So do I. Lets not start compare war scars… That’s not the issue.
>My comments were aimed towards that form of goverment,if you choose to defend communism then I have something personal against you.>
One of the basic unspoken rules of a democratic society (freedom of speech- as you mention in your post), is freedom of choice and freedom of religion. You condemn the vary thing you stand for. You have personal things against people who defend communism? I don’t get it. Either way, I am no communist, and I don’t at all defend communism as in China and the old USSR. Many of these people quote the great master, Lau Tze. I wonder how many of them realize that there is one chapter in the Tao Deh Ching that covers exactly what we have been chatting about. As I said, and I made reference to the book Animal Farm, communism is an ideology that could very well work in a third world country. You seem to have a lack of understanding about the whole topic of Politics.
>Get you facts straight,
If the PRC didn’t have nukes aimed at me I would not be so concerned.>
As I said, there are other ways to solve the problems. The issue with China vs America has been coming a long time. The flame got stronger when the UN bombed a Chinese embassy in Belgrade. I also understand your concerns. It’s a global threat, and not just a threat to the USA.
>It was a Navy plane in international waters,
not an Army plane.>
I use the term Army as a loose description for any form of Military institution. That’s the way we speak.
>You have never patrolled the DMZ between North and South Korea,you have no clue what you’re talking about. I have, in addition to other places. >
aaaahhh… so now I see why this argument got so aggressive. One soldier to another. So tell me mr Soldier, what ARE you talking about? Enlighten me why you patrolled the DMZ between North and South Korea? Did the war not end? My Grandfather was in Korea.
>The USA Jungle Warfare School is not in Korea.>
Early last year, your country send troops to Korea to practice Jungle Warfare. It was much publisised, and I have seen reports. Im not going to argue about things such as that.
Now, to answer Ego’s statements,
>To answer these questions, that’s because those “rogue countries” are not fit to goven themselves. they don’t have a modern political system and their government refuse to acknowledge the United States consitution, freedom of speech, human rights and the American way of life.>
Ø are not fit to goven themselves.>
That’s your opinion. They have done so for the past 5000 years.
Ø they don’t have a modern political system and their government refuse to acknowledge the United States consitution, freedom of speech, human rights and the American way of life>
Who is NOW trying to enforce their way on others? Acknowledge the United States constitution??? Why should they? They are not American. America is not trying to take over the world. Are they??
Ø The world is a much safer place with the United States patrolling their coastlines. >
I don’t argue with that.
>Do you ever consider the sacrifice these young American soldiers are making and the stress from the responsibilities the Presidant of the United States is going through knowing that the sons and daughters of America are risking their lifes to make the world a safer place?>
Yeah yeah. What about soldiers from other UN countries? The UN is not just made up by Americans only. I thank and respect any soldier that stand for what he believes in. It’s a code of honor. I think WTStudent can respect that.
Ø I can tell you that I’m proud of this great nation and proud to be American.>
And I’m proud of you being proud of your nation. Lets get on to what we were talking about. I NEVER once argued about the USA being bad and all… Our original discussion was about Wtstudent’s superiority complex. I was just showing him to lay of from accusing other countries from things he is not involved in.
Ø If it was not for our great nation, we probably would not have the luxuary of having this conversation today. Instead, we’ll probably be living under the communist oppression of Soviet or Chinese rule. Do you want that? Do you want to see your children and grand children and great grand children loose the most basic right of free speech and not being able to go down to the local K-Mart and buy themselves a pop soda?
That’s just your opinion.
> You should be thankful for what you’ve got>
so that’s what I’ve been saying all along. NOW, respect others who might feel the same about their own governments. If you have no gain from anything, why get involved in things you don’t REALY care about.
Think of me as you will. You have no idea what I stand for. You don’t know my background (political or social). Don’t base your opinions on silly internet forums.
Please e-mail me privately WTStudent so that we can continue the discussion without taking up bandwidth on this great forum. My e-mail is mail@martialarts.co.za
Politics and Kung Fu
tnwingtsun,
I agree with you. Some nations aren’t fit to govenr themselves. That’s why we have the United States and the modern weapons to make the world a safer place.
If only rogue nations like China would submit themselves to UN weapons inspection and reform their stance on human rights particuarly in Tibet and do away with ther autocratic govenment, China could one day be a great nation.
But no, the Chinese government continues to cause trouble with Taiwan and even had the audacity to ground one of America’s spy plane.
For not following America’s lead in political and economic reform China continues to have one of the worst polution records, inefficient production systems and a stiffling buracratic mentality.
Furthermore, China risk being bankrupt by engaging in an arms race with the US.
The best way to respond to US is simple - be an ally of the United States (like what Europe has done) and become a partner in the global police force in making the world a better place.
Maximus Materialize!
Ego Extrodinaire!
Ego Extrodinaire,
please may I just ask you, How Old Are You?
Wingstun Student,
different topic… do you do WT under grandmaster Leong Ting and Keith Kernsbricht (Spelling might be wrong)? I have met many of the German WT guys, one of my friends was one of Keith’s top students.
Damn Ego, that is some big ass white talk…sorry to be racist but its sounds like you are being one. China continues…or is the oldest country in the world. And america is what? about 2 and a half centuries old? so wut if america is powerful right now…if the economy keeps goin in the same direction as it is goin now good ol’ US of A ain’t goin to be that strong long. Look throughout history…great nations wit enormus power lose power later on and become a weak country. This country is still young…so don’t be so sure america will be as strong as it is now. Another Black Tuesday or war could put us way down on the list of world super powers. We already have lost alot of power in the UN…wut else is goin to be next. Sure china has bad points…such as autocratic governments…but sometimes its for the better or the worse. Thats mai 2 cents for 2day…if u got a problem wit my post…tell me straight up on this thread. ~peace~
If the river is red, take the muddy path - meeh :eek:
Eddie
“aaaahhh… so now I see why this argument got so aggressive. One soldier to another. So tell me mr Soldier, what ARE you talking about? Enlighten me why you patrolled the DMZ between North and South Korea? Did the war not end? My Grandfather was in Korea”
If you do not know why I patrolled then mabe you should concern yourself with debating points you
have knowledge in.
But I’ll give you a few facts,The war (1950-53) came to a “Cease Fire”,there have been many cross boarder incidents,some bringing us closer to a second Korean War.
The "Official US Army JOTC (Jungle Operations Training Center) is not in South Korea.
“Early last year, your country send troops to Korea to practice Jungle Warfare. It was much publisised, and I have seen reports. Im not going to argue about things such as that.”
Where did the reports come from??,do you trust everything you read??
Korea is not a tropical climate,yes it gets hot,but the US has many other schools to train their troops in Jungle Warfare.
There are many other types of training one as an American serviceperson has acess to in Korea.
The American Force Structure and deployment(minus Special ops and during wartime) is easily avalible to those who dig.
No secret there,just be careful on DOD websites and heed their warnings.
Many unit locations have changed since I got out of the fold but I have alot of friends who still serve and one thing that I do know about is the JOTC location.
But I don’t see your fixation on this,what is your point??
What if JOTC was in Korea?,so what,
your SADF had many border disputes and many counter-insurgencie operations.
Just what is the issue here?,I stated my personal hatred of communism and their abuse of power,
my expeirence where they are concerned.
My opinion of my goverments survelence of their coasts is a given.
“Wtstudent’s superiority complex”
I feel that a democratic fedral republic is superior to communism,then I guess you’re right about me in that way.
And yes,I come from Keith Kerspest and Leung Ting’s line,why? are they communist?
The way of Wah!
“Damn Ego, that is some big ass white talk…sorry to be racist but its sounds like you are being one.”
Woh there cowboy! Who’s calling who racist. I was suggesting ways that would benefit the Chinese people. it is about the statement of the current government that shoots it’s own university students. Do you represrnt the decrepid old guard that even the Chinese people dispise? What is “white talk”. I’ve heard that there are many specise of sharks, the great white shark is one of many. But let me remind your there is now only one specise of humans!
“China continues…or is the oldest country in the world. And america is what? about 2 and a half centuries old? so wut if america is powerful right now…if the economy keeps goin in the same direction as it is goin now good ol’ US of A ain’t goin to be that strong long.”
Hold your horses cowboy Wah! You must the the greatest economist since Adam Smith to forecast the demise of the US economy so far ahead into the future. Did you take lessons from Karl Marx on economic management that has made China the great nation that is today.
“Look throughout history…great nations wit enormus power lose power later on and become a weak country. This country is still young…so don’t be so sure america will be as strong as it is now. Another Black Tuesday or war could put us way down on the list of world super powers.”
Rein your horse there Wah! Now you’re the politician with the good eye on the future. US has had many wars since the civil war and it doesn’t seem it’s satus of being a super power has decreased. Successful operation since the Persian Gulf in Kosovo. Do you get your news from state controled media?
“Sure china has bad points…such as autocratic governments…but sometimes its for the better or the worse.”
Let us hear the good points there. Would you like to start with human rights on its own people, leading on to those in Tibet?
“Thats mai 2 cents for 2day…if u got a problem wit my post…tell me straight up on this thread.”
You’ll make a cowboy someday. If you want to shoot from the hips like we yanks do, try to shoot straight.
Maximus Materialize!
First off Ego, learn how to correctly spell words…maybe you should go back to school and take a few lessons on English and US history.
“Woh there cowboy! Who’s calling who racist. I was suggesting ways that would benefit the Chinese people. it is about the statement of the current government that shoots it’s own university students. Do you represrnt the decrepid old guard that even the Chinese people dispise? What is “white talk”. I’ve heard that there are many specise of sharks, the great white shark is one of many. But let me remind your there is now only one specise of humans!â€
Cowboy!!! Does it look like I’m some damn white boy? Anyway, yea rite now china is bad, but that’s because its communist. The university guys trying to get rid of that system of government. I’ll admit that china is doin pretty bad rite now and I hate communist. But we can’t do jack, its not like wutever u rite on here is goin to make a fricken difference. And by white talk…I meant white trash talking, not great white sharks u idiot.
“Hold your horses cowboy Wah! You must the the greatest economist since Adam Smith to forecast the demise of the US economy so far ahead into the future. Did you take lessons from Karl Marx on economic management that has made China the great nation that is today.â€
Hey, if you took history lessons, if u actually went to school then you’ll realize that many great nations have fallen over time. Things are always in constant motion, one moment u have something, the next you don’t. and are u implying that I’m a f**king communist? Huh u little piece of white trash? I can jus tell by looking at wut the damn news paper is reporting to us. Raise in oil and gas prices, job layoffs all over the nation at high rates. Stock market dropping drastically, the USA losing many many seats and its power in the UN. Oh yea, they lost there power in the Human rights section of the UN…wtf would u say bout that? Jus look at wut the damn newspapers are forecasting. If stocks hit rock bottom, Great Depression 2. Times are already hard as it is, work is not easy too find and pay is usually not that great.
“Rein your horse there Wah! Now you’re the politician with the good eye on the future. US has had many wars since the civil war and it doesn’t seem it’s satus of being a super power has decreased. Successful operation since the Persian Gulf in Kosovo. Do you get your news from state controled media?â€
Ok, I’ll rein my horse, so I can get off to shove my foot up ur ass. Look at this, during both WWI and II, the US always stayed sidelined till near the end. During that time if created items for use during the war to sell to other countries. It made money because of this, and because they entered the war near the end, when all the other countries were running out of funds, soldiers, and weapons, foods, etc. The US was fresh because it wasn’t involved. And look when they tried to start a war in ‘Nam, wtf happened…they got their asses whooped. And ‘Nam is a damn poor ass third world country. Sad. And the Persian gulf, and kosovo gee…all they did was fly over the damn countries and jus drop bombs. I’m not trying to bad mouth the US that much but still ur making it hard for me not too.
“You’ll make a cowboy someday. If you want to shoot from the hips like we yanks do, try to shoot straight.â€
Cowboy? Hah…sorry it jus wouldn’t be meeh. I don’t use guns…unlike u…fist are my weapons and that’s that.
If the river is red, take the muddy path - meeh :eek:
I wouldn’t want to live in a communist country, but America hasn’t always treated it’s citizens the most humanely. Both China and the US have shot their own students. I think things like that have more to do with the bad side of human nature when things get out of hand, like when martial law is declared. But I thought this topic was about the triads and freemasons?
The racist ways of Wah!
“Cowboy!!! Does it look like I’m some damn white boy?”
Can’t non-whites be cowboys. Or are you too racist to consider that idea?
“And by white talk…I meant white trash talking… Huh u little piece of white trash?”,
More racist slurs from Wah!
“job layoffs all over the nation at high rates. Stock market dropping drastically, the USA losing many many seats and its power in the UN. Oh yea, they lost there power in the Human rights section of the UN…wtf would u say bout that? Jus look at wut the damn newspapers are forecasting. If stocks hit rock bottom”
Yeah so, that’s economics for you. some good times some bad times. Under a totalatarian Chinese oppression - all the masses remain poor from high level corruption!
“Great Depression 2. Times are already hard as it is, work is not easy too find and pay is usually not that great.”
I would imagine that it is difficult for a racist to find work.
“..so I can get off to shove my foot up ur ass.”
And you can shoot the students at Tinemmman square (again) when you become the next ruler of China. So much for your respect of free speech.
“I don’t use guns…unlike u…fist are my weapons and that’s that.”
Just like the heros during the boxer rebellion. They got slaughtered by the Western powers. Are you saying you wish to be one of them?
Woh Woh Woh. Rein in your racist talk or someone might ban you from this forum. You can do it cowboy!
Maximus Materialize!