# Tong Bei **URL:** \ **Category:** Shaolin Kung Fu\ **Created:** [May 1, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908 "2006-05-01T19:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/1 "2006-05-01T19:32:19Z")
Will be starting tong bei set soon, 3rd form after xiao hong, and da hong, in 10 shaolin set system. always like to do my research before i begin something new, if anyone has access to any clips of tong bei (hopefully similar set from the 10 shaolin system, or even from any other tong bei practitioners) so i can get a taste for what i can look forward to. thanks to you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rickyscaggs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ebca7d/32.png) [@rickyscaggs](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rickyscaggs)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/2 "2006-05-04T18:26:02Z")
Try doing a google or yahoo video search for tong bei quan. I know they have some. What are the 10 Shaolin sets? ---
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/3 "2006-05-04T22:35:14Z")
1.xiao hong quan 2.da hong quan 3.tong bei quan 4.liu he 5.tai tzu 6.(cant remember name) 7.seven star (mantis) 8.plum blossom 9.gun (or cannon) boxing 10.arhat (five animals) boxing sorry i cant remember the name of the 6th set. something about protecting your vitals. i know tong bei is a style within its self, i am looking for the set that is used for this particualr 10 set system. doubt ill find it tho ☹ ---
**Author:** ![rickyscaggs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ebca7d/32.png) [@rickyscaggs](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rickyscaggs)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/4 "2006-05-04T23:50:26Z")
No, seriously. Go to yahoo video search and type in tong bei quan. There’s a video of a kid doing it from a monk’s school. I’ve also seen a video of Shi De Yang doing it on yahoo or google video search. ---
**Author:** ![Jingwu\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jingwu\_Man](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Jingwu_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/5 "2006-05-05T16:41:55Z")
The name of the form you’re missing is Changhu xinyimen. The Seven stars form as it appears in these ten forms is not a mantis form, it is a quite unique form with some strange hand positions. Tongbiquan is one of the funnest forms in these sets. It ends with a big triple jump kick combo. So cool. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/6 "2006-05-05T16:42:32Z")
ok, will do. thanks for the heads up. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Canzonieri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sal\_Canzonieri](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sal_Canzonieri)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/7 "2006-05-05T18:58:13Z")
Shaolin Tong Bei is not the same as the Various Tong bei styles (Bai Yuan, etc) you will see on the internet. Shaolin Tong Bei is named after someone (Han Tong, who was killed by Emperor Tai Zu, when he first took ever the throne, even though they were friends), the Da and Xiao Shaolin Tong Bei forms are not exhibited the “fan through the back” mechanics seen in the other Tong Bei Styles, although there is some element of it. This Shaolin Tong Bei is derived from Xiao and Da Hong Quan mostly, maybe some Pao Quan too. ---
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/8 "2006-05-05T19:26:50Z")
Thank you Sal. do you know of any resources that document, or gallerize any of the Shaolin Tong Bei? ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Canzonieri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sal\_Canzonieri](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sal_Canzonieri)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/9 "2006-05-08T18:55:25Z")
Well, these forms are well documented both on paper and on video. You can get videos of the forms from the Shaolin section of [www.WLE.com](http://www.WLE.com) [http://www.wle.com//products/vsbx02.html](http://www.wle.com//products/vsbx02.html) and you can get VCDs of the forms from [http://www.plumpub.com/](http://www.plumpub.com/) or from [www.cmaod.com](http://www.cmaod.com) What Shaolin teaches is often called Tong Bi to differentiate it from Tong Bei style ---
**Author:** ![beiquan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@beiquan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/beiquan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/10 "2006-05-10T03:50:53Z")
non-Shaolin tongbei is also sometimes called tongbi, the words for back (bei) and arm (bi/bei) are cognate in chinese ---
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/11 "2006-05-10T18:08:14Z")
jingwu man, and Sal thank you for the wonderful clarification on these sets. this information will help my personal studies greatly. thanks again! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Canzonieri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sal\_Canzonieri](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sal_Canzonieri)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/12 "2006-05-10T22:10:12Z")
The most traditional vcd shaolin series is the one called “Genuine Shaolin”, which is from the late Shi De Gen’s line. You can find the forms that you do there done without the modern wushu influence that is seen today in most shaolin. go to the Shaolin section at [www.cmaod.com](http://www.cmaod.com) or [www.plumbpub.com](http://www.plumbpub.com) and look for the “genuine shaolin” series. ---
**Author:** ![Anisole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Anisole](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Anisole)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/13 "2006-05-10T23:27:02Z")
> [@PangQuan](#): > > Will be starting tong bei set soon, 3rd form after xiao hong, and da hong, in 10 shaolin set system. > > always like to do my research before i begin something new, if anyone has access to any clips of tong bei (hopefully similar set from the 10 shaolin system, or even from any other tong bei practitioners) so i can get a taste for what i can look forward to. > > thanks to you. 😃 hello, this is my friend’s site it has links to wuxing tongbei clips of sparring, interesting. [www.chli371.com](http://www.chli371.com) this is not shaolin tong bei but bai yuan. ---
**Author:** ![gwa\_sow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/gwa_sow/32/556_2.png) [@gwa\_sow](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/gwa_sow)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/14 "2006-05-11T14:47:56Z")
if i was looking at the right ones, its the first time i’ve seen any shaolin stuff with applications. not all had them but a few did. Sal have seen any of these??? ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Canzonieri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sal\_Canzonieri](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sal_Canzonieri)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/15 "2006-05-15T17:01:04Z")
> [@gwa sow](#): > > if i was looking at the right ones, its the first time i’ve seen any shaolin stuff with applications. not all had them but a few did. Sal have seen any of these??? What “these” are you referering to? the vcds or the clips from that site? ---
**Author:** ![gwa\_sow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/gwa_sow/32/556_2.png) [@gwa\_sow](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/gwa_sow)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/16 "2006-05-16T05:10:21Z")
whoops sorry. the vcd’s ---
**Author:** ![pazmoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9de0a6/32.png) [@pazmoot](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/pazmoot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 11:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/17 "2006-05-17T11:03:17Z")
I recently learnt the Shaolin Tong Bei form, it’s a fairly short form with only 40 - 50 moves. it’s the third form in the temple system. the first two are: wu bo chuan and lien huan chuan. ---
**Author:** ![Banjos\_dad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/banjos_dad/32/497_2.png) [@Banjos\_dad](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Banjos_dad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/18 "2006-05-23T04:03:01Z")
i got the dvd of Shi Deyang’s da tong bei and i like it a lot. It starts with a scene of over a hundred people in monk robes doing the form together one part at a time on the temple grounds. from the, something like “original boxing tree of traditional shaolin kungfu” series Guangzou Beauty Culture Communications company. not to be spammy but i am a fan of Shi Deyang’s kung fu. ---
**Author:** ![Guocheng\_Li](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@Guocheng\_Li](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Guocheng_Li)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 1:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/19 "2007-05-03T13:18:46Z")
The Traditional Five-Element Tong Bei Martial Art - I On Young Qi’s Five-Element Tong-Bei Martial Art Authors: GuoCheng Li and Wesley W. Wang, Ph.D. Research Institute of Five-Element Tong-Bei Martial Art Yantai, Shandong, China 1. History of Tong-Bei Martial Art In the years of Daoguang administration of Qing dynasty in China, Master Xing Qi () came to a town named Gongchun in the Gu-An County of Hebei province. He left the Ji County of Hebei where he was in troubles. He took residence in a shop owned by Jia. One day, Jia was involved in an armed-fight with others to own a ferry station by the Liuli River. Qi picked up a long pole to help Jia, winning a complete victory. From then on, Qi’s reputation grew rapidly. He got a nickname of “Pole Master Qi”. There, he took disciples and founded a new martial art style that was called Qi’s Tong-Bei (note that Qi was his family name, not the concept “Qi ()” often referred by Chinese martial art works). After Xing Qi passed away, his son, Taichang Qi (), inherited all his father’s martial arts. Moreover, Taichang studied other styles of martial arts and eventually formed his own style. Different from his father’s style, which featured solid moves with great body openings and closings, his style exhibited more flexible and efficient moves. Since then, Taichang’s style was called Young Qi’s Tong-Bei to differentiate from the Old Qi’s Tong-Bei as developed by his father. Both styles have been continued to develop, one generation after another. A flow chart with respect to time illustrates the development of the two styles. Xin Qi Old Qi’s Style–\>Taichang Qi Young Qi’s Style–\>Tianhe Xu Young Qi’s Style–\> Jianchi Xiu Young Qi’s Five-Element Tong-Bei–\>Yaoting Wang Young Qi’s Five-Element Tong-Bei–\>Guocheng Li Young Qi’s Five-Element Tong-Bei Qi Xin Old Qi’s Style–\>Qin ChenOld Qi’s Style–\>Zhanchun WangOld Qi’s Style It is known that milestones in the history of Chinese martial arts development are usually represented by martial art practitioners. To review Tong-Bei’s evolution, it would be more appropriated to introduce those prominent Tong-Bei martial artists who made important contributions to the development of Tong-Bei martial art in history. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Canzonieri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sal\_Canzonieri](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sal_Canzonieri)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 2:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908/20 "2007-05-03T14:35:38Z")
Great to see that bit of history, but that style has nothing to do with Shaolin Tong Bei fists, they are completely different and unrelated. The shaolin tong bei forms are just variations of their hong quan sets, with some extra moves added. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/tong-bei/35908.md?page=2)