mma is a rule set in reality not a style. It’s a compilation of many things mixed into a melting pot, used by people to fight in a set rule occupation. that is why it will never have a true identity of itself, because those practicing come from a veried background. That is also what makes it great it does not have to conform to TMA standard or “I AM THIS” mentality.[/QUOTE]
MMA is a lack of style in that it is all styles. Calling mma a rule set isn’t quite correct. It can be a training method or philosophy on training or blending arts. Competitive mma has a rule set. The term mma or mmaist does not have such a restriction.
MMA is a lack of style in that it is all styles. Calling mma a rule set isn’t quite correct. It can be a training method or philosophy on training or blending arts. Competitive mma has a rule set. The term mma or mmaist does not have such a restriction.
It can be what ever you wish it to be, but it breaks down to a rule set. Most people see it as such.
[QUOTE=goju;1029963]yes id like to see the link as it conflicts with the one i posted previously where bas supposedly claimed he practiced kata[/QUOTE]
and we have had this discussion before he does kata for breathing/focus he never said it was to help him fight
i never said he did kata to help him fight and you denied he did them at all
i know i tell you this alot but please learn to read.
"Bas: Tae Kwon Do 2nd Degree, Kyokushin Karate 2nd Degree, Thai boxing yellow slip (just kidding), Kyokushin All round fighting 5th Degree (I received this after I defeated Takahashi. I didn’t do any test for this).
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so he was still working on kk karate during his fighting career:cool:
[QUOTE=goju;1029967]i never said he did kata to help him fight and you denied he did them at all
i know i tell you this alot but please learn to read.
"Bas: Tae Kwon Do 2nd Degree, Kyokushin Karate 2nd Degree, Thai boxing yellow slip (just kidding), Kyokushin All round fighting 5th Degree (I received this after I defeated Takahashi. I didn’t do any test for this).
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so he was still working on kk karate during his fighting career:cool:[/QUOTE]
or he could have been given the belt after a fight without even training the style, (which happens a fair bit with fighters) we dont know what we do know is that:
a) he said he learned most striking wise training thai and
b) when asked what he would suggest a would be fighter train he replied Free style wrestling, Thai boxing and submissions
[QUOTE=Frost;1029971]or he could have been given the belt after a fight without even training the style, (which happens a fair bit with fighters) we dont know what we do know is that:
a) he said he learned most striking wise training thai and
b) when asked what he would suggest a would be fighter train he replied Free style wrestling, Thai boxing and submissions
take from that what you will[/QUOTE]
he was clearly still practicing the kata from either kk or tkd or both so its safe to assume he was training other parts of the styles along with his kickboxing and whatever else not just mucking around with forms and recievinga belt for a style he doesnt even train with at all
further simply because the man isnt proclaiming himself to be the holy defender of the karate faith doesnt mean he doesnt train or use the style
so? i would reccomend someone go learn thai over karate or tkd too. its easier to find a decent thai school than it is a karate dojo these days.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1029952]Therefore, if MT doesn’t use a side stance it must be something else. That is why you are just flat out wrong.
The problem isn’t my reading. It is the fact that you can’t manage to track a point through a thread.[/QUOTE]
Yet you argue that Silva is using more Taekwondo than Muay Thai?
Here is a thought, why do people on this forum, such as you, find it necessary to argue semantics over something so ****ing stupid as what style someone got a particular stance or technique from. It absolutely baffles me the shit that gets argued on this forum.
Muay Thai rarely does side stances or side kicks. But the problem is that traditional Muay Thai is somewhat non existent anymore because of the mixture that has been implemented into Muay Thai. Western boxing has been implemented into it heavily in many gyms, as well as side thrust kicks and other more tradiontal kicks from TKD or CMA.
Still yet, it is not a staple of tradional Muay Thai. Watch some of the fights on you tube of Sanda vs. Muay Thai, and you will see the difference in how a side kick is used. I put it in the same category as the tools who claim Sanda is Muay Thai with throws, sorry to say, no it is not! Sanda and Muay Thai share similiarities and often can compete in the other’s venues because of this, but anyone with experience should be able to pick out what are staples of Sanda and staples of Muay Thai, especially those who have experience in both arts. But they can and do compete in each other’s competitions and share similarities, same can be said for TKD, Kyokushin, and many other traditional arts.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1029974]Here is a thought, why do people on this forum, such as you, find it necessary to argue semantics over something so ****ing stupid as what style someone got a particular stance or technique from. It absolutely baffles me the shit that gets argued on this forum. [/QUOTE]
what else would people have to do then? be polite to each other?:eek:
so how long does it take to become a tradition…sheesh.
imo most martial arts are TMA.
if your martial art focuses on fighting…guess what…its traditional. because guess what again…COMBAT is the primary tradition of martial arts.
so what tradition are we talking about then?
guys who say they are tma but dont focus on fighting are just representing a different tradtition. thats all. sure they are going to suck at fighting. thats part of their tradition LOL.
however it takes all comers. some people just fail to recognize this.
old tradition combat arts strive to be as effective as they can in the scenarios they are training for. self defense, sport, law enforcement, etc.
new tradition combat arts are often a combination of modern methods and old techniques. a lot of these techs have been around many years, the methods of training and implimenting these techs based on what you are training for
dont forget a lot of old traditions also use many modern methods…
Like I figured, “He is very good.” It wasn’t an endorsement of Muay Thai bye the way. He was complimenting a particular instructor who happened to be a Mt practitioner. Although MT is a fine traditional style.
I thought a lot myself, striking wise I would say that I learned the most at Mean Ho gym in Breda Holland. Cor Hemmers is the teacher there, he is very good. I started learning the basics in Grappling with Chris Dolman in Holland.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1029974]Yet you argue that Silva is using more Taekwondo than Muay Thai?
Here is a thought, why do people on this forum, such as you, find it necessary to argue semantics over something so ****ing stupid as what style someone got a particular stance or technique from. It absolutely baffles me the shit that gets argued on this forum.
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It is fundemental to highlighting the the stupidity and closed mindedness of the supposed MMAists. MMaist claim to be open minded to the best but all they are interested in is BJJ and half a$$ striking. I am seeking to point out the hypocracy and stupidity of that not that I actually care about Anderson’s use of TKD tremendously. Although, his use of TKD and it’s influence on the way he does Muay Thai are obvious and merit some discussion if you are into the details of kickboxing technique.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1029974]
Muay Thai rarely does side stances or side kicks. But the problem is that traditional Muay Thai is somewhat non existent anymore because of the mixture that has been implemented into Muay Thai. Western boxing has been implemented into it heavily in many gyms, as well as side thrust kicks and other more tradiontal kicks from TKD or CMA. Still yet, it is not a staple of tradional Muay Thai. Watch some of the fights on you tube of Sanda vs. Muay Thai, and you will see the difference in how a side kick is used. I put it in the same category as the tools who claim Sanda is Muay Thai with throws, sorry to say, no it is not!
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Traditional MT is alive and well. Throwing in a few boxing hands hardly eats at it’s traditional nature. Problem is in the U.S., is that a lot of MT instructors are seminar certified and are really just relying in what they know, boxing, karate, or whatever.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1029974]
Sanda and Muay Thai share similiarities and often can compete in the other’s venues because of this, but anyone with experience should be able to pick out what are staples of Sanda and staples of Muay Thai, especially those who have experience in both arts. But they can and do compete in each other’s competitions and share similarities, same can be said for TKD, Kyokushin, and many other traditional arts.[/QUOTE]
I am not really sure where you are going with this, but it seems to me that you are making yourself out to be the same kind of tool that you are claiming me to be by making a distinction between San Da and MT.
It is fundemental to highlighting the the stupidity and closed mindedness of the supposed MMAists. MMaist claim to be open minded to the best but all they are interested in is BJJ and half a$$ striking. I am seeking to point out the hypocracy and stupidity of that not that I actually care about Anderson’s use of TKD tremendously. Although, his use of TKD and it’s influence on the way he does Muay Thai are obvious and merit some discussion if you are into the details of kickboxing technique.
and it is fundemental to highlight the stupidity and closed mindedness of the supposed TMA’s. I’m not a huge advocator of the mma elitest. I can see where you are coming from in pointing out that mma is an overall compilation of things. If you are a TMA or an MMaist there are stupid people in both worlds. We could go on for days and hundreds of threads about the chi blasting dojo’s and superiority complex of most TMA’s. And we could go on for days and hundred of threads about the tapout wearing bada$$ mentality most mma gyms share. You see it on both sides of the street.
all styles/art/whatever share many characteristics with differing flavors it doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1030026]and it is fundemental to highlight the stupidity and closed mindedness of the supposed TMA’s. I’m not a huge advocator of the mma elitest. I can see where you are coming from in pointing out that mma is an overall compilation of things. If you are a TMA or an MMaist there are stupid people in both worlds. We could go on for days and hundreds of threads about the chi blasting dojo’s and superiority complex of most TMA’s. And we could go on for days and hundred of threads about the tapout wearing bada$$ mentality most mma gyms share. You see it on both sides of the street.
all styles/art/whatever share many characteristics with differing flavors it doesn’t take a genius to figure out.[/QUOTE]
We can definitely agree on that. The funny part is when we get the old chi ball thrower groupies who become born-again mmaists. LOL. From one extreme to the other.
A lot of these discussions get pretty annoying and boring. People with sense just get caught in the middle.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1029950]found this on another forum. thought it kinda went with this thread.
any thoughts??[/QUOTE]
LOL!
Did you get this from Bullshido? LOL!
If you did, then that would be ironic, as that site itself is a cult of meat heads who worship the one single mysterious neuron, that seems to be floating eternally all over the place in that site. Some of these cultists are also known as “Moaists”…LOL!
No one has seen this mysterious neuron but rumor has it that the knucklehead who sees it first, will gain the ability to think.
PS. If you did not get it from Bullshido then the MA world is in a lot more trouble than it thinks it is…LOL!
