# Thus as I heard there are four power types
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**Category:** Wing Chun
**Created:** [October 20, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421 "2004-10-20T23:16:03Z")
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### Author:  [@yellowpikachu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/yellowpikachu)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/1 "2004-10-20T23:16:03Z")
Thus as I heard there are four power types hidden in the SLT set.
Do you believe that?
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### Author:  [@45degree\_fist](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/45degree_fist)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/2 "2004-10-20T23:18:57Z")
where did u hear that?
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### Author:  [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/3 "2004-10-20T23:33:54Z")
> Originally posted by 45degree fist
> where did u hear that?
Back of a cereal box , fortune cookie , bottom of a box of cracker jacks take your pick
Sorry couldn’t help myself
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### Author:  [@yellowpikachu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/yellowpikachu)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/4 "2004-10-20T23:36:03Z")
an actor who has just passed away----- Rodney DANGERFIELD!
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### Author:  [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/5 "2004-10-20T23:37:49Z")
> Originally posted by yellowpikachu
> an actor who has just passed away----- Rodney DANGERFIELD!
sounds about right:D
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### Author:  [@Savi](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Savi)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/6 "2004-10-20T23:39:24Z")
Yeah, Dangerfield and Reeves each had two of the four power types. Thus I have heard from second and third hand information (AOL and IE).
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### Author:  [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/7 "2004-10-20T23:43:04Z")
[http://www.atomicsauces.com/](http://www.atomicsauces.com/)
the super secret sauce :eek:
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### Author:  [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/8 "2004-10-21T01:01:40Z")
Electric
Gas
Steam
Nuclear
Solar
Hydroelectric
Geothermal
Tidal
Petrol/Oil
Human
Horse/Donkey/Mule/Ox/dog/aardvark
the Dark Side of the Force
the Infinite Improbability Drive
thirteen power types and counting …
IMO SLT does little if anything for power development.
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### Author:  [@Ernie](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ernie)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/9 "2004-10-21T01:07:27Z")
> Originally posted by anerlich
> [B]Electric
> Gas
> Steam
> Nuclear
> Solar
> Hydroelectric
> Geothermal
> Tidal
> Petrol/Oil
> Human
> Horse/Donkey/Mule/Ox/dog/aardvark
> the Dark Side of the Force
> the Infinite Improbability Drive
thirteen power types and counting …
IMO SLT does little if anything for power development. [/B]
Major amounts of hot air have been known to form 😉
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### Author:  [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/10 "2004-10-21T02:44:22Z")
Power is the rate at which work is done. It is the work/time ratio. Mathematically, it is computed using the following equation.
Power = Work/Time
Power = Force\*Velocity
Power = Energy transferred/Time Taken
P=dE/dt
Other types of power:
[http://changingminds.org/explanations/power/power\_types.htm](http://changingminds.org/explanations/power/power_types.htm)
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### Author:  [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/11 "2004-10-21T03:58:21Z")
Interesting site, Ray.
I maintain SLT has little to do with power development except rather indirectly.
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### Author:  [@KPM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KPM)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 9:39am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/12 "2004-10-21T09:39:35Z")
Re: Thus as I heard there are four power types
> Originally posted by yellowpikachu
> [B]Thus as I heard there are four power types hidden in the SLT set.
Do you believe that? [/B]
I believe it! Some seem to think that you have to be moving your feet to generate power. During SLT they only use the arms. But SLT can bring the whole body into the movements. Power comes not only from the arms, but from the waist/hips and spine. So I would be interested in hearing how you break down and categorize 4 types of power. Care to share? 🙂
Keith
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### Author:  [@t\_niehoff](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/t_niehoff)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/13 "2004-10-21T12:04:08Z")
Hendrik wrote: “Thus as I heard there are four power types hidden in the SLT set.”
anerlich wrote: “I maintain SLT has little to do with power development except rather indirectly.”
\*\*Imagine if you were a western-style boxer and you decided to create a linked set of the tools (jab, cross, hook, cuffing, ducking, etc.) of boxing. Could you in that “form” separate the tool from the body mechanics – their power source? Isn’t it the case the the tool and body-mechanic are really two sides of one coin? In my view, the rear cross isn’t just in how you move your arm but in how you move your entire body; the rear cross includes the power source. Same for a tan sao in the SNT.
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YongChun wrote:
Power is the rate at which work is done. It is the work/time ratio. Mathematically, it is computed using the following equation.
\*\*This points out that many terms have several meanings and contexts. “Power”, like many of the terms thrown around (force, energy, etc.), has a very narrow and specific meaning to a physicist and a different meaning to the layman/non-physicist. So when folks use these physics terms and talk about “being scientific” they would make a physicist cringe (fwiw, my undergraduate degree was in physics).
Regards,
Terence
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### Author:  [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/14 "2004-10-21T12:33:05Z")
Terence, I agree with you about using physics terms to describe scenarios in fighting/physical contact. Everyone likes to use the terms: force, power, momentum, torque, inertia, energy, velocity, etc. But I’m just not sure what terms should apply, or are really relevant, when describing the “power” of a punch.
I’m always interested in discussions like this, but from your previous posts I’d wager that you think there is limited mileage in examining mechanistic models. My undergraduate degree was in Physics too.
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### Author:  [@t\_niehoff](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/t_niehoff)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 12:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/15 "2004-10-21T12:45:31Z")
CFT wrote:
Terence, I agree with you about using physics terms to describe scenarios in fighting/physical contact. Everyone likes to use the terms: force, power, momentum, torque, inertia, energy, velocity, etc. But I’m just not sure what terms should apply, or are really relevant, when describing the “power” of a punch.
\*\*Exactly.
I’m always interested in discussions like this, but from your previous posts I’d wager that you think there is limited mileage in examining mechanistic models.
\*\*IMO, looking to body mechanics is essential but I don’t think trying to relate them to “physics” (more accurately, poorly understood physics) is the way to go. For example, a baseball pitcher trying to develop his fastball pitch isn’t concerned with f=ma or angular momentum or what have you. Instead he “learns” the pitch (the mechanics) and then practices it, plays with it, trying different things, with a constant, critical eye toward results.
My undergraduate degree was in Physics too.
\*\*Then you probably get that same headache when folks refer to Newtonian physics (f=ma) in an attempt to explain complex biomechanical actions.
Regards,
Terence
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### Author:  [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/16 "2004-10-21T13:32:14Z")
> Originally posted by t\_niehoff
> \*\*Then you probably get that same headache when folks refer to Newtonian physics (f=ma) in an attempt to explain complex biomechanical actions.
> Yes! I was rebuked by you, and quite rightly so, on a previous occasion for doing almost exactly that.
Whilst you can make some crude models just applying F=ma to the fist, arm, torso, etc. and even include things like body rotation you are still far from the whole picture of the human body, especially the joints and tendons.
Even sports scientists that do computational modelling break things down to a few joints, and frequently have to limit the degrees of freedom in the joints that they model, just so they can get some insights. Otherwise it ends up as a complicated mess.
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### Author:  [@45degree\_fist](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/45degree_fist)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/17 "2004-10-21T15:43:51Z")
respectfully:
You still havent answered my question Yellowpikachu.
Wher did you here that?
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### Author:  [@PaulH](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PaulH)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 3:59pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/18 "2004-10-21T15:59:43Z")
‘THUS I HAVE HEARD’ - The traditional opening phrase of Buddhist sutras to show their credibility and authenticity.
Hendrik is a buddhist thus I have heard! =)
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### Author:  [@Knifefighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Knifefighter)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/19 "2004-10-21T16:14:58Z")
> Originally posted by CFT
> Whilst you can make some crude models just applying F=ma to the fist, arm, torso, etc. and even include things like body rotation you are still far from the whole picture of the human body, especially the joints and tendons.
> Not to mention the fact that, after a certain point, as speed increases, muscular force production decreases.
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### Author:  [@PaulH](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PaulH)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/thus-as-i-heard-there-are-four-power-types/29421/20 "2004-10-21T18:07:51Z")
From a casual look at SLT, I see 4 ways to generate damage power: Punch, knife Hand; palm strike, elbow strike. The rest are various kinds of controlling and balancing power.
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