[QUOTE=Hendrik;1173109]I speak about WCK and only WCK.[/QUOTE]
Sound like you going beyond the “fighting art” of WC and into “spiritual parameters”.
Maybe you wanna check that IF you think you were JUST speaking about A fighting system.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173110]Sound like you going beyond the “fighting art” of WC and into “spiritual parameters”.
Maybe you wanna check that IF you think you were JUST speaking about A fighting system.[/QUOTE]
you must have not read my previous posts.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1173112]you must have not read my previous posts.[/QUOTE]
Oh I did.
Just out of curiosity, you still punch people in the face with your WCK, right?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173113]Oh I did.
Just out of curiosity, you still punch people in the face with your WCK, right?[/QUOTE]
That got nothing to do with this thread.
you are a moderator.
I expect you to behave and not cause disruptive.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1173114]That got nothing to do with this thread.
you are a moderator.
I expect you to behave and not cause disruptive.[/QUOTE]
It was a valid question that seems to have touched a nerve…
Do you still cause physical harm with your WC? do you still train to do so?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173115]It was a valid question that seems to have touched a nerve…
Do you still cause physical harm with your WC? do you still train to do so?[/QUOTE]
A good WC man doesnt have to cause any people physical harm.
and again,
what is the point to keep go out of the thread?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1173116]A good WC man doesnt have to cause any people physical harm.
and again,
what is the point to keep go out of the thread?[/QUOTE]
You’re right, what is the point.
Sorry.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173117]You’re right, what is the point.
Sorry.[/QUOTE]
different opinion is always welcome.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1173118]different opinion is always welcome.[/QUOTE]
No its not. And it never has been
Youve gone on and on about your own agenda’s for years, and have tried convince everyone (without any evidence) that you are right.
Now after waffling on about emei, white crane, snake and so forth while also having shots at current masters (TST comes to mind) you now unleash your 5 layer theory.
And the doosy is that its “above violence” as per Ronin’s punch in the nose comment.
Well that would preclude you having to show/give any supporting evidence to your claims… all very convenient
[QUOTE=GlennR;1173146]No its not. And it never has been
Youve gone on and on about your own agenda’s for years, and have tried convince everyone (without any evidence) that you are right.
Now after waffling on about emei, white crane, snake and so forth while also having shots at current masters (TST comes to mind) you now unleash your 5 layer theory.
And the doosy is that its “above violence” as per Ronin’s punch in the nose comment.
Well that would preclude you having to show/give any supporting evidence to your claims… all very convenient[/QUOTE]
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Your opinion is ok with me.
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shot at TST? my comment on TST demo according to Chinese Internal martial art reference. you dont have to take it.
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you dont have to read my thread either. you are free to choose.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173115]It was a valid question that seems to have touched a nerve…
Do you still cause physical harm with your WC? do you still train to do so?[/QUOTE]
Having met Hendrik and trained with him, he is capable of defending himself. The 5 layers does train the martial aspect,but its not ALL about hurting someone. The only agenda hendrik has is to help people who want to help them selves.
As far as hurting anyone, that is more of a level reached, if you reach a level that you are in control of events, then it is up to you how you want things to go.
Cheers
I had great parents that develop my mind to stay and be in control, if needed. Now I’m adult and still don’t have problems with what my parents taught me, and I can handle my own problems without mental intervention from a martial art instructor -or- “messenger”.
[QUOTE=Robinhood;1173156]As far as hurting anyone, that is more of a level reached, if you reach a level that you are in control of events, then it is up to you how you want things to go.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
think positively handle and dissolve.
one’s world is only a reflection of what one keeps thinking about.
one’s result is an outcome of what one keep thinking.
Dao De Jing chapter 31
Weapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.
Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn’t wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1173157]I had great parents that develop my mind to stay and be in control, if needed. Now I’m adult and still don’t have problems with what my parents taught me, and I can handle my own problems without mental intervention from a martial art instructor -or- “messenger”.[/QUOTE]
That is great!
- Your opinion is ok with me.
Im not worried about your approval
- shot at TST? my comment on TST demo according to Chinese Internal martial art reference. you dont have to take it.
Two things that set you apart from TST. He can do what he says he can, and he doesnt constantly try to jam his agenda down other peoples throats
- you dont have to read my thread either. you are free to choose
Its a forum, so ill choose to comment if i like
[QUOTE=GlennR;1173160]
Two things that set you apart from TST. He can do what he says he can, and he doesnt constantly try to jam his agenda down other peoples throats
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I comment on TST demo.
If that is a fact , it is a fact. Disregard of who says.
If it is not a fact, then that comment got nothing to do with him but my blindness.
Either way, how does it matter you? -
I start a thread in the forum , those who likes it can join discussion. Those who don’t like it is not force to join.
If you do not like it then just ignore my post. Why even waste energy?
[QUOTE=Robinhood;1173156]As far as hurting anyone, that is more of a level reached, if you reach a level that you are in control of events, then it is up to you how you want things to go.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Well said, You can learn the most deadly form/art/techniques but it doesn’t mean that you want to hurt anyone. IMHO, Most people who learn martial arts never have to use it. Why train it then one might say? because there is more to martial arts then just out right violence (i.e. tradition, culture, health/exercise).
Interesting. While the Ving Tsun I practice doesn’t seem to use the same terms, I was also taught similar things from my sifu as well. Except I most definitely did not understand anything about the “five layers” within a week but rather after years of training lol.
Not to say anything to bring down any art, but in regards to these 5-layers and 1850’s Ving Tsun, I feel that many lineages from Ip Man have these same things except that they’re not talked about in the curriculum. But this doesn’t mean it’s not there. From what I understand, Ip Man Ving Tsun forms are about showing as little as possible and expanding those techniques through training. This can be seen in Chum Kiu where we only do one “side kick.” Does it mean we dont do side kicks w/ the other leg? No, it’s just that the idea is if you have the root idea at least once, you can train it on the other side on your own and add whatever alterations you need. Chum Kiu moves left and right/up and down, but does this mean Ip Man lineage Ving Tsunners only move forward and backwards? Of course not.
In a short way of saying it, I would explain the 5 layer basics in my lineage of Ving Tsun by saying something similar to what you said except that instead of learning about all 5 at once, I started by training my body and working on the physical layer. As i learned more about the energies and trained them against pressure, it trained my intention and went on to training the mind layer. Once my body knew what to do, it was important to coordinate my breathing with each movement, this is what you call the third/breathing layer. Now, with my mind, body, and breath working together, this naturally leads to cultivating the fourth/qi layer. IMO, in my training at least, the 5th layer you mention also starts at the beginning and grows as you understand the other layers. So while it may not be written on my or my sifu’s curriculum, other styles of post 1850’s ving tsun can also have the things you mention in your Ving Tsun
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Not to say anything to bring down any art, but in regards to these 5-layers and 1850’s Ving Tsun, I feel that many lineages from Ip Man have these same things except that they’re not talked about in the curriculum. But this doesn’t mean it’s not there.
True. Hendrik has organized his knoledge in his way. Nothing wrong with that. But some of the better Ip man lineages have the equivalent of Hendrik;s five layers.
joy chaudhuri