The yik kam transform

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1172561]I told the people who learn the Yik Kam transform that

if one replace the force vector, momentum, and figthing tactic layer to diet and nutrition layer. one will have a Transform for healthy holistic living.

I believe it is time to raise this issue because martial artists needs to be strong and healthy to protect others. instead of going through all type of macho stuffs and by the age of 45, the body run like an old car.

For me, WCK is all about hope and chance. and the Transform is a tool for providing hope and chance. it is not about I fight better then you. or I can beat you. it is I have nuclear technology and have a good life too. when the world is evolving into deep high tech. we now face how to live a balance live or we get into chaos. it is time to look at everything holistically .[/QUOTE]

Thank you for sharing all of this! I’ve never taken any WCK lessons and only met a couple WCK players- but I think it applies as a nice systematic way to consider all arts - and as a foundation from which to bring deeper analysis when learning. Whenever I see your posts I think they often apply in general terms beyond WCK too similar to this one- so maybe in the future you can post this in the Kung Fu Training and Health sub forum too

Out of curiosity- I may have figured breathing to be with body layer (either integrated or even before it in some ways). I also might have thought mind being the first level of fundamental practice in quieting, focusing, and as a precursor to breathing practice.

From some teacher I did once have I noticed how quickly mind is often skipped and body ‘layer’ was gone directly to- perhaps it is an analysis tool though and not a concrete law of arts too.

What do you think?

Matt

Here is another example of how the yik kam transform applied in other style

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1172815&postcount=17

[QUOTE=Matthew;1172680]Thank you for sharing all of this! I’ve never taken any WCK lessons and only met a couple WCK players- but I think it applies as a nice systematic way to consider all arts - and as a foundation from which to bring deeper analysis when learning. Whenever I see your posts I think they often apply in general terms beyond WCK too similar to this one- so maybe in the future you can post this in the Kung Fu Training and Health sub forum too

Out of curiosity- I may have figured breathing to be with body layer (either integrated or even before it in some ways). I also might have thought mind being the first level of fundamental practice in quieting, focusing, and as a precursor to breathing practice.

From some teacher I did once have I noticed how quickly mind is often skipped and body ‘layer’ was gone directly to- perhaps it is an analysis tool though and not a concrete law of arts too.

What do you think?

Matt[/QUOTE]

Matt,

We all know, body and mind are inseperate able. And inter related, The break down of the five layers is for quick precise handling for the beginner. those who has master, just run natural .

Without these layer stuffs clearly present to the beginner and let them be able to handle them. The qi layer and the momentum , force, tactic layer will be having a difficult time to get handle.

Not to mention, within each layer there are indepth stuffs which the ordinary people doesn’t aware of. In that case, they will never be able to use that part of the functions.

But then for the master, everything is just natural .

Also, the sequence and how to get hold of the layer makes a heaven and earth different unless one is a master.

For example, the physical body layer needs to be handle before the mind layer. The breathing layer must be handle via physical body layer and mind layer. Otherwise one cannot have a stable and repeatable consistence handling and further entering into the zone.

These stuffs are a part of human nature, if one cannot get it right in the begining. One will never have a stable practice, and will never arrive at the advance level.

When using for healing, these sequence of handling are very important to get result. We cannot have unstable and unrepeatable result.

In combat situation, these are critical because we cannot afford mind body latch up via tunnel vision. Due to missed handling of the layer, sequence of the layer, and depth of the layer. Each button has to be handle properly. Similar to flying a plane.

So, the layer separation above and how yik kam transform drill with its sequence bring one to experience the five layers are very critical.

People never be able to get to the qi layer if the first three layers cannot be repeatable handle. Thus, not many can called for or evoke qi in their Dan Tien. They cannot do it because the first three layers are not master . If that is master, the qi layer will surface. And can be measure. It is a nature phenomenon of the human body. Not philosophy or believe.

But then as I aways says if you are a master or natural. You don’t need these. There are more then one way but it must based on repeatable and precise handling nature. Never philosophy because the nature is not going to listen to any ones philosophy but goes its own way and sequence very specifically.

Also, the layer activation sequence is for protection guarding. For example, when the mind cannot quite down and out of control. One knows one needs to shut down a certain part of mind function or totally abandon it to back off to work on the physical layer. Otherwise, it is self destruction.
So, as a beginner one absolutely needs to know the layers and sequence and the layers depth . To make it work. In the healing or combat situation. We today has very little pragmatic teaching but lots of philosophies.

IMHO, yes, there are laws needs to follow when dealing with the five layers. One can cleverly manupulate but must never against the law. To crack the code , the length of the bit and the sequence needs to be exact. For the past 150 years the wck engine is so difficult because the length of the bit or how many bit of data and the sequence of the bit is not that well know. And now we want to put that under spot light and crack the code once for all.

Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
Master it and teach to the less fortune people.
Let them has a chance to live a better live!

Be it in the high education area as MIT or the less fortunate kids on the street, we help them equally so that everyone has good health good brain and can reach for a good living dream instead of fight fight and no hope. That is the mission of ancient Chinese martial artists beside protecting thier village as security personal.

Thank you Hendrik! You have summed up the arts wonderfully!

I already have Medlife and BlueCross/BlueShield I don’t need a doctor

the less fortunate kids on the street, we help them equally so that everyone has good health good brain and can reach for a good living dream instead of fight fight and no hope. That is the mission of ancient Chinese martial artists

Who and what is developing the less fortunate kids brain; and because they dont do what you’re working on; why are they less fortunate? They should have parents that love them unless youre teaching orphans.

What was said here; is what every teacher should do and tell (kids), and not just in martial arts. That should already be in our everyday lives within the frame of mind in which should have came from our parents, Im not going to pay anyone to teach me how to act/think, especially a martial art instructor while being an adult. Im just not that weak minded (brain wash).

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172907]Who and what is developing the less fortunate kids brain; and because they dont do what you’re working on; why are they less fortunate? They should have parents that love them unless youre teaching orphans.

What was said here; is what every teacher should do and tell (kids), and not just in martial arts.

That should already be in our everyday lives within the frame of mind in which should have came from our parents, Im not going to pay anyone to teach me how to act, especially a martial art instructor while being an adult.

Im just not that weak minded (brain wash).[/QUOTE]

I suggest you carefully read my previous posts and comprehend what is communicated instead of thinking what you are thinking as what I am saying.

As for the less fortunate brain, one can give ones kid all the love but if the kid keep eating can food, soft drink, high salt, high sugar, … All day long .. (Got nothing to do with what i am working on. )

Guess what will the outcome be when these kids in school , And when they hit an age of 45? Can those type of eating support a healthy living , a clear and sharp mind? Not to mention a demanding martial art training?

As for parents, take a look how many of today’s parents ,as we are , knows what is proper , and practice as a good model on how to live a balance live?

So, What i say is there are laws and techonogy of natural living.
every person will get Benifit by knowing what those are and walk their talk to get result.

And finally,

Those who fully develop their mind layer, will have no fear to look into anything and decide what is the best , always expand their horizon , and stay in the state of positive silence without trap in ones own mind set.

But that development will work only with good diet, and other layers’ proper support because every layers is inter related.

As for weak mind and brain wash, we all are subject to that. We learn our stuffs mostly via tv and movies and internet, and commercial advertisement , without realize them. We don’t even do prayer every night to reset our brain anymore. We all are weak and brainwashed.

Any one believe those chain punch in ip man 2 the movie can defense against a well train boxer? If yes, that is one of the worst brainwash. And the parents and instructors who do not know that put the kids in high danger. IMHO.

Ali has bring up a great point on love.

For me,

Even though I did zen, qi…ect.

Mind needs a physical support for 99% of the human.

Thus, if one cannot take care of the basic physical layer Forget the other stuffs.
And to taking care of the physical one needs a balance diet.

Thus, control the food one actually control the body. Control the body one control the mind.

So, is advance state of mind and qi exist ? Yes. But 99% percent of people cannot get there.

For the 1% who get there, mind and body is non dual. It is living in a different world? Do we have technology to get there? Yes. But most will never go that far.

Hello Hendrik,

I understand what you’re saying, but the entire thing you’re presenting as point/premises on why it’s better -or- which leaves others in the position of being less fortunate; my POV is ONLY a byproduct of good parenting.

If one doesn’t understand or develop what you do or work on doesn’t put them in any less position to live a happy and healthy life. Believe me, getting you but kick every time can be a very unhappy and unhealthy situation to be in, and this is where the mothers love comes in to play: to be better, to act better and to live a better life…:wink:

Hello Hendrik,

I understand what youre saying, but the entire thing youre presenting as point/premises on why its better -or- which leaves others in the position of being less fortunate; my POV is ONLY a byproduct of good parenting.

If one doesnt understand or develop what you do or work on doesnt put them in any less position to live a happy and healthy life. Believe me, getting your but kick every time can be a very unhappy and unhealthy situation to be in, and this is where the mother’s love comes in to play: to be better, to act better and to live a better life :wink:

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172915]Hello Hendrik,

I understand what youre saying, but the entire thing youre presenting as point/premises on why its better -or- which leaves others in the position of being less fortunate; my POV is ONLY a byproduct of good parenting.

If one doesnt understand or develop what you do or work on doesnt put them in any less position to live a happy and healthy life.

Believe me, getting your but kick every time can be a very unhappy and unhealthy situation to be in, and this is where the mothers love comes in to play: to be better, to act better and to live a better life ;)[/QUOTE]

Ali,

You missed my definition of less fortune. Thus, you missed my point.

Please Read ’ my organic food instructor told me why not to donate can food ’ section to have a clear definition of what less fortune means.

Also, the thread here got nothing to do on what I work or what I do. This thread is a systematic presenting of what technology exist in today’s language. I am just a messenger reporting what exists.

as I mention above, this thread is not going into get your but kick types of subject.
So, it will be appreciate to limit the discussion To facts, technology only.

I didnt miss anything and youre not the only one here with a brain.

Well, your message shouldnt put others in the position of being beneath and less fortunate then you; and thats all because you were told so, considering that youre the messenger (brain washed).:rolleyes:

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1172960&postcount=36

(Chi Kung Deployment/Wing Chun)

Ok,

I just see you promoting Chi Kung for what it always has been (in realty) dieting, breathing, meditating and just some of the basic levels.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1172961]In1600 chinese martial art technology has already on its peak. thus, when White Crane was designed, it was using the top technology of its time. the momentum, force vectors flow, combat tactic, and Qi flow are fused into a single piece with the mind body evolution training…[/QUOTE]

The entire thing that you just talked about; or always talk about falls in the category of Energetic Formation: spiritual interactions, matter, energies. All wrapped up in a pita bread formation of “Energetic/Embryological” and served to anyone that would eat it…

Same engine but different body.

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172966]Ok,

I just see you promoting Chi Kung for what it always has been (in realty) dieting, breathing, meditating and just some of the basic levels.
.[/QUOTE]

I surely do not speak for Hendrik however from what I understand thus far Hendrik is simply trying to discuss a particular systematic method (in my opinion one of the best I’ve come across) on how cultivate these basic levels you speak of.

[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1172982]I surely do not speak for Hendrik however from what I understand thus far Hendrik is simply trying to discuss a particular systematic method (in my opinion one of the best I’ve come across) on how cultivate these basic levels you speak of.[/QUOTE]

I understand,

Im not knocking him at all, but his propaganda/metaphors only shows what he may feel that is very unique or original, only has been around sense almost the creation of Chi Kung in a health sense.

And from the way he speaks, he speaks of these foundations; Energetic Formation: spiritual interactions, matter, energies, etc, but only with his own twist (his wing chun). Nothing wrong with that though.

It sounds like his speaking of Universal Energies and Environmental Energies Heaven and Earth mostly all psychophysical.

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172985]I understand,

Im not knocking him at all, but his propaganda/metaphors only shows what he may feel that is very unique or original, only has been around sense almost the creation of Chi Kung in a health sense.[/QUOTE]

I think you a confusing propaganda with passion. Passion that many here on this forum for what they believe to be true, tried and tested. Hendrik just wants to share what he’s has learned from his lineage and research. If one wants to listen then it’s totally up to the individual. If not then it’s no skin of any ones back. Right?

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172985]
And from the way he speaks, he speaks of these foundations; Energetic Formation: spiritual interactions, matter, energies, etc, but only with his own twist (his wing chun). Nothing wrong with that though.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, nothing wrong with that, but to be honest to fully understand what Hendrik is talking about you either have to go visit him or train with someone that has has the opportunity to learn the Transform from him. This is especially true if you practice WC with no internal aspect at all. If you do practice the internal portion of WC or come from another art with and internal background then Hendrik writing become a bit more digestible. It would seem that you have some background with internal arts or at least have a general knowledge so I’m sure you understand what I mean. As the saying goes at the pinnacle all internal arts are the same.

Why are you speaking for him, Im not being insulting, why so defensive? Its evident that you don’t have a clue; not being mean. Hendrik knows what I say is true for a fact, so if he wants to speak then let him, other than that lets not make a fight out this.:confused:

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172966]Ok,

I just see you promoting “Chi Kung” for what it always has been (in realty) dieting, breathing, meditating and just some of the basic levels.

The entire thing that you just talked about; or always talk about falls in the category of “Energetic Formation”: spiritual interactions, matter, energies. All wrapped up in a pita bread formation of “Energetic/Embryological” and served to anyone that would eat it…

Same engine but different body.[/QUOTE]

I am just present the existed internal tcma technology specifically in today’s language.

It is not those new age qigong, spiritual, matter, energy…ect as some might think but totally missed the message.

[QUOTE=Ali. R;1172990]Why are you speaking for him, Im not being insulting, why so defensive? Its evident that you don’t have a clue; not being mean. Hendrik knows what I say is true for a fact, so if he wants to speak then let him, other than that lets not make a fight out this.:confused:[/QUOTE]

Ali,

Joseph knows what I am talking about so he can has his opinion.

On the other hand, what you think I am presenting is not what I am presenting.

I am ok with every one has their own opinion. However, I would like the communication here to be restricted in term of technology only.

[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1172988]I think you a confusing propaganda with passion. Passion that many here on this forum for what they believe to be true, tried and tested. Hendrik just wants to share what he’s has learned from his lineage and research. If one wants to listen then it’s totally up to the individual. If not then it’s no skin of any ones back. Right?

Exactly, nothing wrong with that, but to be honest to fully understand what Hendrik is talking about you either have to go visit him or train with someone that has has the opportunity to learn the Transform from him. This is especially true if you practice WC with no internal aspect at all. If you do practice the internal portion of WC or come from another art with and internal background then Hendrik writing become a bit more digestible. It would seem that you have some background with internal arts or at least have a general knowledge so I’m sure you understand what I mean. As the saying goes at the pinnacle all internal arts are the same.[/QUOTE]

I agree Joshep.

I passed out the message on what happen in WCK and even white crane a mother of WCK. Why the five layers categorization is needed for us who live in present day to be able to grasp what is going on century ago.

It is up for one to see if there is value for them to take it or leave it. It is a free world.

Also, I am very particular on internal details i am talking about, technology and education are the bottom line.