I posted this on the main forum and did not get many responses. I figured take it to our home.
I wanted to discuss the idea of “sticky sword” if it even can be applied. I am a returning student to Modified Wing Chun. Here is the question…
How and if could you transfer the forward energy into and against your partner? What to feel for regarding openings?
To set up a example, face the center line, stay forward, and cross swords on the “Strong” ( that is located between the guard and the middle of the blade). I would think that the advantage goes to the last one that moves because the “defender” would wait to read ther energy. Most of the experience in Chi Sao leads to going with the direction of a opponents exagerated move or lack of. Inside you go up the center,to the outside and using Pak,Tan or what ever. This has lead me to strikes with the pommel or butt of the sword against the opponent.
I have been training with the Medieval Long Sword about a year and have come to a level where closing and grapling and Chi Sao techniques are required. At this range the swinging action of this type of sword changes to a short staff style called Half Swording in Historical European MA Locks, binds and disarms are at this level.
What do you think?
When I mentioned “or lack of” that is what I was refering to. I did mean as you said taking advantage of, not being led. I should choose my words more carefully. Thanks
Rash words are like sword thrusts, but the words of the wise bring healing.
Proverbs
Theres a big difference in how to fight with swords depending on which type you choose.
Are we talking cutting or stabing types ?
Light or heavy swords ?
One or two handed ?
If you are a little more specific, then perhaps we can give you some pointers
Most of what is known about this subject comes from the German swordmanuals.
Sigmund Ringeck writes that you shall notice right
in the moment the blades make contact,wether he has bound hard or soft.
And as soon as you have noticed this,you should attack the next opening immediately and nimbly,hard or soft.
He has a whole verse on the word indes-immediately.
There is no waiting,it’s all about tactile reflexes.
The German Kunst des fechtens was very agressive,
Taking the initiative,maintaining it and getting it back immediately if you lose it.
Ringeck says that a defensive fencer mostly loses.
Re: Whiping Hand
I am assuming that if i bind my opponent and lets say get to the outside he IS or HAS been cut with the closing move. As far as the idea of Chi Sau with swords I am interested to see if there are specific references to training swords to apply those same principles.
Re:Jesper.
The swords I am refering to are 15th Century Long Swords see example below. http://www.by-the-sword.com/windlass.html
Although these are twohanded the can be handled with one. In addition, the Half Swording Technique I refered to includes grabing the blade with one hand above the guard ( some swords were not sharpened from hilt to tip) This style looks more like staff work. I am curious to hear what you have to say about lighter, swords that can be used for cut and thrust.. (tai chi) type?
Re: Wingtsun
I have read Ringeck and discussed the theary of “Defence loses” in long sword. But I am not sold. For instance if a attacker strikes with the ZornHau and you use Unterhau to counter, you would deflect the blade and “ride” it for a slash to the throat. Or just deflect and continue the Under cut.
For those of yo who may be interested I have included a few links expaining the foundation to this style. See… Long Sword http://www.thehaca.com/talhoffer.htm
Rash words are like sword thrusts, but the words of the wise bring healing.
Proverbs
As a matter of fact, I do. I was affiliated with the West Point Group. I am good friends with Tim Sheetz who ran the group. Unfortunately, Tim was recently was stationed in Korea. I train (when I can) with a few of the core members of that group.Wwe all live far away from each other and stay in contact through ICQ. If you are interested please join us for some discussion,
As far as the idea of Sticky Sword, I would think if you train to feel the energy in the blade, it would apply to the last two techniques you mentioned.
Rash words are like sword thrusts, but the words of the wise bring healing.
Proverbs
“I wanted to discuss the idea of “sticky sword” if it even can be applied. I am a returning student to Modified Wing Chun. Here is the question…
How and if could you transfer the forward energy into and against your partner? What to feel for regarding openings?”
I was interested in your question thogh I ma not sure whether I can provide helpful insight. Among other reasons- i dont know the swords that you are using. I dont have a “feel” for them without holding one. But the principles of wing chun apply to empty hands and weapons as well- so do the principles of chi sao- allowing for the weight, shape and length of a weapon so that it becomes part of the hand. There is chi do- taught
authentically by very few people.chi sao later leads to chi kwan and chi do. Like the pole- if you only defend- you lose with a do.You say that you returned to
Modified Wing Chun. Sorry I dont know what that is<g>.
