there is a poll on the black taoists site about whoe is a good baguazhang fighter.
Brothers of Wudang Internal Marital Arts Poll
TBT poll
DUMB QUESTION
I see my fan still live on.
Guania If people see my poll so what. Thats why Its up there. So i can see what people think about other BaGuaZhang Teachers. Who is a fan , and who is not. But I can see you are a longtime fan of mys.
Anyway my vote go to Luo De Xiu and Jason Tsou. I have Two Videos of Luo Xiu and I have to say Luo Xiu is no joke. From what I saw on his Baguazhang video, I go tell he is a real fighter. And his Bagua fighting techniques are powerful and can be utilize by anyone. I should know because I beat a few people down using them. LOL
Jason Tsou gets my vote because I use to read about him in articles when I was about 15 years old. Back then he was the only person to my knowledge to write about BaguaZhang. Even today if you go to his web-site, any real fighter can see from the pictrues of him on his web site, that the man is condition, Also there is a little movie of him doing a few moves from his BaGua form, from the little I saw he look powerful.
So there you have it, my two votes. Some day I hope to met Luo De Xiu and Jason Tsou and learn some good from them. Intill then Guanidi,
Practice and live long.
>Guania If people see my poll so what.
>Thats why Its up there.
and that’s why I posted it here, so that it can be noticed. Maybe it’s getting a bigger audience now. No bad intend.
Guandi
Hey what’s up Novell?
Thought you guys were going to make it out here where it’s sunny and nice. Just hint of winter in the air and it makes for excellent training in the mornings. I shall have to go vote for my teacher in your poll. I see a few who couldn’t hold up with him keeping even in the voting. 
You guys are always welcome and Jason even offered some special stuff to Maoshan. Jason will be holding the next intensive on Baji in February but there is plenty of bagua on the weekends.
Count
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Yo Count, I didn’t forget I’m a man of my word. But right now I’m so busy teaching and working I just don’t have the time. But I do plan to come down there and visit your teacher sometime in 2002. Also with all this going down in New York with the planes falling and all, right now is not a good time. As for the vote you can find it on my intro page. I can’t believe that some of Them teachers got high votes, you know what I mean. But thats life. LoL
Peace Live long and Practice.
our poll
Hello,
I have not visited KFO in weeks. So yesterday and today is my first time posting in a long timelong time. I wanted to state that the poll is a poll for internal artist that are just curious about certain questions and issues in the arts. Now if “beaudacious” meant that our question is a dumb question that I think it is a matter of opinion. (Again assuming he is talking about the question on our poll) This forum used to do similiar polls like this all the time a year or two ago. I don’t think it is a dumb question because everyone thinks about the same type of question but will not say it a loud.
Guandi
You say that did put the question out there to give us a bigger audience. Now you full well we been back and forth with you on various controvesal topics over the time we’ve been on this board. So I’m just a little suspect on your intention. But, I will never know for sure but let me say thanks if you intentions were true. Let me also conclude that if we wanted a bigger audience we could have inform everyone on KFO ourselves to get a bigger fans to the poll. We did not. So that shows our interest in letting everyone know. If someone comes to I our site and see what we do that’s cool. If not thats cool too…
Finally,
The votes are the poll are very suspect because a lot for votes for Sifu Park Nam, Painter etc… and other people with over 30% votes were made from same person(s). Basically the poll was tainted. Out of all the votes we set our website this one is too close to the Florida selection…opps I meant election… (Let me say that the two names mention is not done for any type of attack at all. I have the records of how the votes are cast and it shows that there is someone who are a fans of these individuals are sitting at there PC just clicking and clicking away.)
I just wanted everyone to know about this particular vote…
Thank you all.
Dear razak
>Now you full well we been back and forth with you on various
>controvesal topics over the time we’ve been on this board.
Who is we? In fact I had very little back and forth with you, but some with maoshan and tbt.
But that I have on some things a (very) different opinion than maoshan or tbt does not mean that I have anything them. In fact I really respect their hard work and the way they train – as far as I know. But I do not agree how they represent themselves as they are doing it always in comparison with some other people, who they are – most of the time – describing as crap.
>So I’m just a little suspect on your intention.
Hey, I just presented that there is a poll. I did not even make any comment on this subject. So how could this have to do with a bad intention?
>So that shows our interest in letting everyone know.
I did not publish the poll because I wanted to support you, but because I was interested in the result of a bigger audience. If you just want that a selected group will vote in the future you should restrict the access.
Btw I think neither of them would win in an NHB event, because today they are in my opinion simply to old for such events. So the more interesting question would be, who could be able to train fighters to win such events. But that’s just my opinion.
Guandi
thank you for the reply
Guandi
Thanks for the reply. It is better for me to receive a reply instead of me assuming anything.
Gunandi Be yourself.
Gunandi you have a right to your opinion and I respect that. But do you think I care how people feel about my opinion about most BaGuaZhang teachers, Most of them In my opinion are Crap.
Most of them have no speed, power, timing, conditioning, balance or real techniques that are practical for fighting. How can any of them teach a student the theory of change in a fight, if they never practice freefighting or never in they life practice freefighting.
Do you think you are going to get fighting knowledge just from practicing two-man forms and reading internal martial arts theory?
There are about 1,000,000 BaGuazhang Therory fighters, But there are only a small hand full of BaGuaZhang Practitioners that can utilize BaGauZhang as a fighting Art. After all thats what BaGua was invented for fighting. Not to sit and have a cup of tea and discusse and memorize mysterious I Ching principles of change from the I Ching diagrams.
What use is reading the I Ching principles of change, if most of them can’t use the I Ching diagram sixty-four tactics in combat or crossing hands with a person.(free style- Fighting)
Bottom line, Most BaGuZhang schools don’t practice full-contact freefighting. But the so- Called External Kung fu schools do. Even Karate students practice freefighting. Thats why alot of they students are good fighters. Not all talking theory, but puting fighting theory in to action by freefighting. This way they students can explore new ways to utilize they techniques and even invent better combat methods to combine with they already established techniques. I can’t say the same for my BaGuaZhang brothers.
Today a lot of BuGuaZhang students are like mental slaves. Many think they Teachers are Gods. When in fact he is just a man, that can get his ass kick like any other man, on any giving day. Just hope one of them days is not yours. LOL
I 'm I the country’s foremost expert on Baguaszhang? No I’m not!! But I have a right to my opinion. Yes I feel most BaGuaZhang people can’t fight, not just teachers,students also. But thats just my Opinion. I can get my own ass kick just like the next man no matter how skillfull I am. But thats just my opinion. Today there are only a few people that can fight using BaGuaZhang others are just theory fighters. They need to get some listerine to kill the bull$hit they are teaching. After all listerine is clinically proven to kill germs by millions on contact.
But thats just my Opinion. And I will always stand by my opinions. If people don’t like my opinion and want to take action. I’m very easy to find.
I live my life not for others, but for self. peace.
Btw I think neither of them would win in an NHB event, because today they are in my opinion simply to old for such events.
But if these older guys really had internal skill would their age matter?
blacktaoist
‘Malachi z york’ should of been added to your fighter list he is awsome.
which York are you talking about?
Ma_Xu_Zha
Which York are are you referring too?
i guess my question is rhetorical but i’d like to know what yall think. if technique is superior than muscling, then i’d have to believe that these guys’ age do not matter and they would wreck in nhb events regardless of age. after all, all it could take is one well placed internal strike and i don’t care how built these nhb fighters are, cuz that strike would sink past all that. i’d really like to hear what yall think.
Originally posted by Justa Man
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But if these older guys really had internal skill would their age matter? [/B]
yep, internal power is just a different way of expressing power. It’s not better nor worse than external power imo. I just don’t like how some ‘internalists’ think internal power will make them gods or something.
I have always maintained that it is the person over the style.
Having said that I have not met anyone who can manifest the same type of power as those that I have met who play TC.
i have met people who where, stonger, faster or used very diffeint types of styles. even if i was beat i could still know what was going on. With some of the TC peopel that i have met this is not possible, their playing on a differnt game borad.
The power that I spoke of earlier is from using Shen, Yi, Chi.
IMHO I don’t think that many people outside of IMA run into these types of skills.
I feel that this places the internist at an advantage why?
For the same reason that some feel bjj or any of the other MMA stuff is better. It’s something that most people haven’t encountered yet. I’m talking about TC people who can really use and understand their art.
In the end it still gets back to the person behind the art, but its a very differnt game borad for those that play what are called internal styles 
justa man
Jasta man, Age should not matter at all. What matters is conditioning and skill. Most BaGuaZhang practitioners don’t train practical. Many think that one strike well being them victory. What a big myth and fallacious misconception that is being exposed as blatant distortions of the truth.
The truth of the matter is to enhance your fighting skills,You have to practice freefighting. Without conditioning and training for speed, power, timing Immpact training. Ther is no way a person have endurance and stamina to last long in a fight, or even last long fighting other martial artists. I don’t care how much Chi kung they practice or how long they practice walking the circle. If they don’t practice fighting, they are good as dead!
Internal, External I don’t believe in all that bull$hit. I refer to internal as the mindset(adapt strategy wisely) and External is coordination of the entire body to execute techniques with maximum power. Shen (spirit) is what I refer to as chi or Qi. To manifest shen, you must first prepare mentally the will.
Bottom line is many BaGua practitioners don’t have real skills because they don’t have the will or shen to prepare for the real world of practical martial arts.
They are happy being theory internalists mental slaves.
But thats life! peace. 
I walk the cirlce 360 degrees,my palm techniques overwhelming all enemys" piercing palm your in the back, your can’t see" LOL
Do you really think that a 80 year old Xie Peiqi with his internal skill is able to win a high class nhb event? Come on, being an internalist does not make you resistent against injuries. Beeing internal or not, these injuries does not heal in this age as fast as in your younger years.
Eg Mike Patterson retired from actively teaching his full contact team because he always sparred with his students to increase their abilities. But he recognized that his injuries from the sparring does not heal as fast as he was younger. You can have iron body skill, but nevertheless this does not mean that you do not get injured. Full contact still is full contact. And I think the phrase that age does not matter at all is just a myth.
Guandi
Open your eyes to the real world martial
Guandi from just reading your post. I can tell you don’t practice any full-contact or light contact freefighting. You are just like the rest of theses theory fighters.
Anybody that practice freefighting know that they may get injured, thats just part of the game. Age don’t matter if a person is practicing the right conditioning training and techniques that are practical for the competition they are about to fight in.
As for your statement about Xie Peiqi, Why would a 80 year old man want to fight in a so called high class nhb competition. But if he did fight in a nhb competition where there are no rules and he is able to utilized dim-mak striking techniques That all Yin styles are renowned for. Xie Peiqi definitely may win, but the downside with be his stamina and recovery time if he gets hit.
No mattter what age you are, if you can’t protect yourself in a competition event or in a street fight, if you sustain some damage you may not recover fast, or you may not recover at all!
Bottom line is, Age will matter if you are not training for real and just talking Bull$hit all day about so called internal theory and applications.
What matters in a nhb competition or real fight is not age, But a person have to believe in theyself. Don’t hesitate. Don’t be timid And have the right mental strategy as well as physical ability and proper methods of fighting.
And thats no Myth thats reality something you need more of in your training , if you train at all.
Peace.