Actually you do sweat when you swim, you just don’t realize it. My swim coach in high school was always reminding us to stay hydrated. Anyway, sweating is irrelevant to long-term weight loss.
The reason swimming isn’t so great for weight loss is that your heart rate doesn’t get as high as it does from running. However, swimming is great for your physique.
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1241648]If by “ready to quit” you’re talking about pushing intensity to the point of cardiovascular fatigue, then in the context of swimming, you are now entering anaerobic conditioning. That’s a completely different metabolic loop and not very conducive to weight loss. Running or cycling you can still suck air. Swimming you either stop or push through on limited breaths.
I’m not arguing that swimming is not metabolically taxing while you are doing it. But after you stop, the metabolic draw also stops. And which metabolic pathway you are ranged in (aerobic, anaerobic, fermentative [not the same as anaerobic, too many people think that’s the case]) depending on intensity, body temp, etc. determines what level of benefit you are getting towards your targeted goal.[/QUOTE]
Generally, I agree with this. However, with swimming there is the repeated exposure to the training stimulus to consider; there will often be enough swimming sessions in a short time to elicit a body fat loss. You will be using glycolysis and moving into the Krebs as the dominant energetic method usually. But, if there is sufficient ‘exhaustive’ effort in each session, fat loss (and attendant subcutaneous water loss) will occur.
Looking at my records of currently active clients, I have nine who, in addition to martial arts training and resistance training, added in ‘extra-heavy’ swimming sessions for 3-5 days a week, and they saw fat loss in excess of 15% over 6 months. A small sample pool, certainly, but enough in my professional opinion to say swimming would be a much better suggestion for added cardiovascular work for Gowgee’s goals of weight loss.
Time to put this into practice! Let me get back to you in a few weeks on my progress.
Thanks for your input everyone 
In my opinion swimming is the #1 exercise
except for the dangerous part - where you can drown
Honestly swimming is the best & low impact on the joints
this diet will cost you $100 every two weeks
I buy
70 eggs
4 loaves of bread
70 pieces of fruit
5 gallons of milk
4 - 2 lb bags of carrots -
& for green stuff - I eat Your body needs Green vegetables as well from my home garden
8 am-
egg whites
whole Grain toast 2 pieces
fresh fruit
skim milk - 8 oz
11 am
fresh fruit
whole grain bread
egg whites
skim milk - 8 oz
2 pm
grapefruit
apple
egg white
skim milk - 8 oz
rice
5 pm
orange
egg white
vegetable salad - my vegetable salad usually consists of two carrots
skim milk -8 oz
8 pm
egg white
vegetable salad
whole grain bread
diet taken from the book Hardcore body building - a scientific approach ---- page 193 - an example of a fat loss diet
or go to jail - they won’t feed you enough to stay alive -
[QUOTE=Throwaway Child;1246053]or go to jail - they won’t feed you enough to stay alive -[/QUOTE]
Not in California, they get 4500 calories a day in here!
Losing Weight
I knew a guy who lost a ton of weight by doing one simple thing. He stopped eating by 7 pm and drank water after. He ate whatever he wanted and did no exercise and the weight flew off. It definitely worked for him.
Cut bread and white sugar from your diet completely and prepare to be amazed.
all bread, all flour.
also, no soda pop, no candies.
eat whole foods only in 1/3 -1/3-1/3 portions. Protein/complex carbs/clear fats
meat, veg and water basically. easy on dairy.
Pretty much guaranteed to cut your weight down even without exercise.
Oh. and portioning is important.
when you eat whole foods, you don’t feel hungry all the time. When you eat carbs, you do feel hungry all the time.
I only eat whole foods too. I find that on the odd occasion when I do indulge, I pay for it later.
If I could only choose one exercise activity, it would be swimming. It also has a liberating element that you just don’t get anywhere else, and that appeals to me.
[QUOTE=kfman5F;1246153]I knew a guy who lost a ton of weight by doing one simple thing. He stopped eating by 7 pm and drank water after. He ate whatever he wanted and did no exercise and the weight flew off. It definitely worked for him.[/QUOTE]
This guy doesn’t eat after 2pm. He is in his 70 now. He once said that any girl over 18 is too old for him.
Well guys, hate to break a bubble here, but my mom is 77, eats whatever the heck she likes, when she likes, doesn’t exercise much beyond walking, enjoys a little alcohol and she smokes since she was a young woman.
The only thing I think of when people go on about longevity is their own fear of dying. Don’t be afraid is probably the best health advice you can get. Most of the diet stuff outside of “don’t eat a bunch of chemical crap” gets flipped every few years back and forth and really is meaningless.
Eat whole foods to feel better. Avoid chemicals to not feel burnt out. None of it will effect what age you die lest you abuse yourself and who knows, maybe you’ll get hit by a meteorite.
We all gonna die. It doesn’t matter when we get to. Being afraid to die at an old age is pointless. Eat well and practice for quality of life, not Length of years.
More and more science is proving that it isn’t so much WHAT you eat but how much and, perhaps more importantly, GENETICS.
Also, lack of stress.
People that have lived over 100 years AND are active all have one thing in common:
It is NOT exercise or certain foods or even where they live.
It is genetics.
It is keeping active ALL their life and especially their “senior years” ( which does NOT = exercise).
Knowing how to “control” stress.
I tried my hand at a type of “hunter-gather” diet a while back.
Basically you can eat only what is either “killable” (LOL) or can be gathered and cooked ( or eat raw).
So, ex:
Chicken, beef, fish, eggs is ok ( milk is a bit debatable since mammals don’t drink milk when they can eat solid foods and I don’t do milk anyways because I am lactose intolerant).
Nuts, veggies and fruits is ok.
As for cereals and grains, if it needs to be “processed” or “refined” from it’s “natural state”, it is a no-no.
So, no pasta, breads, rice and so forth.
It was OK, I lost weight ( any change in diet that eliminates certain foods will do this from my experience) and felt good.
BUT, I like bread and pasta and rice !!
Moderation is the key.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246265]More and more science is proving that it isn’t so much WHAT you eat but how much and, perhaps more importantly, GENETICS.
Also, lack of stress.
People that have lived over 100 years AND are active all have one thing in common:
It is NOT exercise or certain foods or even where they live.
It is genetics.
It is keeping active ALL their life and especially their “senior years” ( which does NOT = exercise).
Knowing how to “control” stress.[/QUOTE]
Very true.
Also, there is attitude and expectation. I have heard some people in their mid-late 20s and 30s calling themselves ‘old’, and some in their 60s and 70s who look great, are mentally sharp and consider themselves ‘young’. Over time, your beliefs of self-image become a self-fulfilling prophecy. When I was young, the whole ‘mind-body connection’ thing seemed either vague to me or like a bunch of hooey, but it is clear that they are inseparable.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1246273]Very true.
Also, there is attitude and expectation. I have heard some people in their mid-late 20s and 30s calling themselves ‘old’, and some in their 60s and 70s who look great, are mentally sharp and consider themselves ‘young’. Over time, your beliefs of self-image become a self-fulfilling prophecy. When I was young, the whole ‘mind-body connection’ thing seemed either vague to me or like a bunch of hooey, but it is clear that they are inseparable.[/QUOTE]
If you train TCMA for
- health when you are 30, you are old.
- combat when you are 70, you are young.
Most of my friends trained long fist when they were young. Now they all switch to Taiji or Bagua. I trained Taiji when I was young. Now I only train combat.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246266]I tried my hand at a type of “hunter-gather” diet a while back.
Basically you can eat only what is either “killable” (LOL) or can be gathered and cooked ( or eat raw).
So, ex:
Chicken, beef, fish, eggs is ok ( milk is a bit debatable since mammals don’t drink milk when they can eat solid foods and I don’t do milk anyways because I am lactose intolerant).
Nuts, veggies and fruits is ok.
As for cereals and grains, if it needs to be “processed” or “refined” from it’s “natural state”, it is a no-no.
So, no pasta, breads, rice and so forth.
It was OK, I lost weight ( any change in diet that eliminates certain foods will do this from my experience) and felt good.
BUT, I like bread and pasta and rice !!
Moderation is the key.[/QUOTE]
I love fad diets. They entertain me.
I don’t know what’s so hard about using a common sense diet. Just eat less processed foods. Leaner meats, eat more whole grain, fruits, vegetables, etc. it really is that simple. And if you happen to eat something “bad” once in a while it doesn’t mean you’ve failed your diet. One meal doesn’t make that much difference in the grand scheme.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246265]More and more science is proving that it isn’t so much WHAT you eat but how much and, perhaps more importantly, GENETICS.
Also, lack of stress.
People that have lived over 100 years AND are active all have one thing in common:
It is NOT exercise or certain foods or even where they live.
It is genetics.
It is keeping active ALL their life and especially their “senior years” ( which does NOT = exercise).
Knowing how to “control” stress.[/QUOTE]
I think exercise helps a lot, but even just being active doing chores and the garden and stuff helps. This book is pretty good, talks about a lot of the topics http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Worlds-Longest-Living-People/dp/1569243484
Maybe check it out from the library or something, I got it from a garage sale for $1.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1246291]I love fad diets. They entertain me.
I don’t know what’s so hard about using a common sense diet. Just eat less processed foods. Leaner meats, eat more whole grain, fruits, vegetables, etc. it really is that simple. And if you happen to eat something “bad” once in a while it doesn’t mean you’ve failed your diet. One meal doesn’t make that much difference in the grand scheme.[/QUOTE]
Yep, agreed.
Though I am on the fence about the “whole grains” thing…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1246394]Yep, agreed.
Though I am on the fence about the “whole grains” thing…[/QUOTE]
Essential amino acids - check.
Essential fatty acids - check.
Essential carbohydrates - no check.
I’m really digging running ultra low carb all day; the night before a weights workout, going carb/protein (90/10 ratio). Have dropped quite a bit of body fat (from 16 to 12% as of yesterday), have more energy, still appx 185#.
[QUOTE=Vash;1246410]Essential amino acids - check.
Essential fatty acids - check.
Essential carbohydrates - no check.
I’m really digging running ultra low carb all day; the night before a weights workout, going carb/protein (90/10 ratio). Have dropped quite a bit of body fat (from 16 to 12% as of yesterday), have more energy, still appx 185#.[/QUOTE]
And you can get all that they have from fruits and nuts and everything else…