Songs/Poems of Pak Mei Gung Fu

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meltdawn

thanks for accepting my apology - i will TRY and be composed in the future (no promises :smiley: )

its great that you are learning cantonese - i lost a lot of mine when i came back from hong kong. i know all the chinese names etc. in my system (my sifu never learnt english, so i had to try to learn cantonese), but beyond that and the basics, im afraid that my cantonese is pretty limited. im actually trying to find an english speaking cantonese program to learn more - but all ive come up with is cantonese for mandarin speakers… not much good to me. oh - i know some swear words too from when my teacher used to go off :wink:

i would like to discuss lung ying with you. what you train etc. one of my students previously did a little dragon from one of lam yui gwais students. i would be interested to know how and what you train.

“good masters are hard to find and good students even harder” - you dont know how many times i have said this!! that is why i dont like to give out too much info to those i dont know… i reserve that for my loyal students & trusted friends.

i understand what you are saying about spying. there are a few schools around this area that are known for it. i had a student recently tell me out of the blue that he is an instructor of another kung fu system. apparently he took our conditioning drills and some of our theories and principles back to his other school. he had told me that he had had some experience - but i had no idea it was like this.

the knowledge your teacher gives you - treat it like gold (as they say). anyone can film or copy a form - but it is the knowledge behind it that makes your system powerful.

do je (sp?)
joi gin
:smiley:

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

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MD: Pak Mei Couplet

Guys, at the moment I am extremely busy with Lion Dancing for Chinese New Year.

I will be putting this couplet up, for your inspection, but it will be after the 28th Jan.
When ALL lion dancing has finished for me.

I know I have been rather quiet in here recently, but but I have been popping in, in between my working hours to see who is actually interested in this couplet…

I agree that there are some people that most probably very untrustworthy, but I think most of the people on this disussion board come across as genuine.

Dave Stevens

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Meltdawn

Lo bat ming baa nei ming m Dim kong ma
ming baa

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Bui Ji

Lo bat ming baa nei ming m Dim kong ma
ming baa

Your (sp) not understanding my understand not how — not understanding?

I guess my Cantonese needs work. English please.

“Waiting is bad.” - Musashi

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No i’m sure its my chinese, actually it was the nei i usually write lei instead and didnt know ming mm was “clear” i thought i was saying i dont understand nei ming mm but it didnt mean anything in the end .
Are you confused yet? i am! haha

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10 important Points Couplet

Everyone this is the couplet I was talking about a couple of weeks ago…enjoy!

10 Important Points of Pak Mei.

3 Doors / Gates, Ba Gwa Strength.

4 Doors / Gates, Fast like Wind & Rain.

Tun To Foa Chum, takes hard work & training.

6 Powers hold tight, then you achieve internal power.

9 Step Push, to achieve centre of Power.

18 Magical Palms is the fiercest.

Chase empty, Grab / Strike full with fierceness.

Any variations you still achieve the same objective.

Master all these; learn Fierce Tiger comes out of Woods.

To achieve the height of enlightenment, 5 Elements of Earth’s forces.

Dave Stevens

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I sincerely thank you Dave. I will study that well.

“Waiting is bad.” - Musashi

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Thumbs up

Great, thanks for this post. Let’s see if we can solve this puzzle.
Olaf

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One Proud Day!

This is by far the best Chinese New Year present. I am not talking about the poem itself although it is a big part of it. Rather, it is the sharing spirit. Dave’s post is like to announce to the world that Bak Mei isn’t some clandestine cult or a little boys club. We are a PAI - one that is ready if the pupil is willing to take the challenge. Sihing Dave, I applaud and salut you! You serve as a good example to us all, thank you.

Mantis108

Contraria Sunt Complementa

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gates/doors?

Forgive my ingorance but what does the terms gates/doors refer to?

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Gates/Doors in the couplet

Basically, in Chinese Gung Fu.
Your arms are known as “Kiu or Bridge”
Hands are “Sau meaning hand”
Wirsts, Elbows and Shoulders are known as “Doors or Gates between your bridge”.

The rest of the couplet i’ll let you decipher! This is a journey of the self. It gives you the chance to understand how Bak Mei was and has been passed down through the generations.

The more you practise; the more you’ll understand this couplet and what it’s telling you.

Dave Stevens

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Ok, I’ll take a go at it…

"10 Important Points of Pak Mei. "

“3 Doors / Gates, Ba Gwa Strength.”

Gates.  Always 3 through which power issues.  Bat gua - 8 triagrams? Like from taiji, triagrams relate to hard/soft properties? Indicating the changing.  Gates swing, they open AND close.  If power can come out the gate, the gate can close to power.  If one can open and close the 3 gates, strength is proven.  External?

“4 Doors / Gates, Fast like Wind & Rain.”

4?  Possibly referring to stages of ging development?  Wind and rain, powerful force but soft.  Speed is not borne of strength.  Internal?

“Tun To Foa Chum, takes hard work & training.”

See TTFC thread!  Cannot learn all from written word.  One must teach the body and practice, practice, practice.  Training means correct practice.

“6 Powers hold tight, then you achieve internal power.”

Don’t know the names for 6, external powers?  Close to mine I think.  But meaning if external is correct, internal is achieved?

“9 Step Push, to achieve centre of Power.”

Since it’s a form (I think?), the primary footwork relating to finding your center?  9 step shows as number from above, proves style’s particular balance?  If studied will show you the root of all bak mei power generation principals?

“18 Magical Palms is the fiercest.”

No clue, don’t study bak mei.  Sounds like a ride at Disney World.

“Chase empty, Grab / Strike full with fierceness.”

There is so much in this one!  Don’t waste, in chase or strike.  Execute with intent.  Be soft and hard.  Be strong and fast, because of knowledge and practice.  Stick, shadow, follow (empty) 3 gates open (full)?  USE what you have learned.

“Any variations you still achieve the same objective.”

It’s all good!

“Master all these; learn Fierce Tiger comes out of Woods.”

If you understand the external principals, you already know the form?

“To achieve the height of enlightenment, 5 Elements of Earth’s forces.”

Esoteric reference to religios principals or bak mei power?  If you master the form, you’ve got the internal, and have achieved enlightenment?

“Waiting is bad.” - Musashi

[This message was edited by meltdawn on 02-01-01 at 07:32 AM.]

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Songs/ Poems of Southern Praying Mantis

Does anyone know the Songs/Poems to Southern Praying Mantis Of Grandmaster Lam Sang See Line?

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Dangyerlongwindedwoman…:wink:

I thought a couplet was a 2-liner?

All these little songs and poems are apparently not all that olde and each post CLC lineage has their own, so is this a Hakka thing??

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Dangyerobstreperousman :wink:

Couplet, poem, song, yadda yadda yadd. Have to see it written in Chinese. Dave, though it’s 10 points, is it written in couplet style?

MoQ, what you mean by “olde”? How you know other “post CLC” lineages each have their own? Give them to me! I demand more knowledge from those who have it!

Sifu! Sifuuuuuuu!!!

“Waiting is bad.” - Musashi