# so my arm is refusing to heal :/ **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [November 3, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639 "2007-11-03T01:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![golden\_arhat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/golden_arhat/32/662_2.png) [@golden\_arhat](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/golden_arhat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/1 "2007-11-03T01:30:20Z")
as some of you may know about 3 months ago i was wrestling got thrown over phills back and dislocated my elbow [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=85106086&albumID=121996&imageID=9732145](http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=85106086&albumID=121996&imageID=9732145) so yeah i left of everything did what the doctors told me to do went and saw the orthopaedist he said yeah just leave it and stretch it gently every now and a gain next tiem i saw a different doctor he didnt touch my arm or anything he just fobbed me off looking at it and said yeah yeah just carry on even though i protested that my arm wasnt moving any further regardless of how much i stretched it never the less i went home and carried on a couple of weeks later i went back saw the or iginal doctor got an x ray got refferred for physio went to physio i was told “odds are we can stretch it somewhat but u will NEVER get full mobility back” i was like 😕 so yeah she stretched it hard and it went a bit further niot much she gave me an an excercise to do i heat the joint up for 15 minutes get it as far as i can then ice it for 15 minutes in that position but that hasnt got it any further it just leaves me stiffer :mad: so ive gone back to training i can hook people and wrestle to some extent (but i’m taking it very light) anyway what are ur thoughts on all of this ? ---
**Author:** ![Egg\_fu\_young](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/egg_fu_young/32/822_2.png) [@Egg\_fu\_young](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Egg_fu_young)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 1:47am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/2 "2007-11-03T01:47:05Z")
I have the same thing (hyperextension from boxing) It hurt constantly for the first 5 years. Now the pain is only on extension but man the noises it makes are hideous. Been to the Doctor and my only option is surgery. Really changed my life because I had to train differently. Any arm movement past parallel cant be done. On a positive note. It’s not the worst injury I have:) ---
**Author:** ![golden\_arhat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/golden_arhat/32/662_2.png) [@golden\_arhat](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/golden_arhat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/3 "2007-11-03T01:59:52Z")
[QUOTE=Egg fu young;813067]I have the same thing (hyperextension from boxing) It hurt constantly for the first 5 years. Now the pain is only on extension but man the noises it makes are hideous. Been to the Doctor and my only option is surgery. Really changed my life because I had to train differently. Any arm movement past parallel cant be done. On a positive note. It’s not the worst injury I have:)[/QUOTE] u can get surgery ? as in forcing it to straighten through the use of sharp stuff ? hmmm quick fix …interesting 😃 cheers a bunch ---
**Author:** ![street\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@street\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/street_fighter)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 2:05am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/4 "2007-11-03T02:05:46Z")
it hapens to the best of us. if your training hard, its gonna happen, learn how to deal with them, be smart. I just got over a shoulder dislocation, the joint is never quite the same. Thats MA baby. ---
**Author:** ![mickey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mickey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/mickey)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/5 "2007-11-03T03:04:02Z")
Hi golden arhat, I cannot see your injury with that link; with that in mind, please THINK about what I am suggesting and consult with your doctors about it before you do it. Stretching is a good way to increase range of motion, but there is a better way: strengthening and increasing the number of your muscle fibers to the point where the stretch will allow for a greater range of motion. You may benefit from some bicep curls, preferably hammer curls and those curls where you twist upward to a palm up position since they both work some of the muscles in the bicep and forearm that is involved in bringing the arm upward. Those same muscles function as a stabilizing force in extensions of the arm. Additionally, you should consider strengthening the entire arm.The weights should start out light in the early stages because memories of the trauma may still exist in your cells (releasing it will take time..in that regard you may want to consider Fendelkrais). After doing your lifting, then do the stretching. See what happens. Also, be patient, it will take some time. Good luck to you and recover well. mickey ---
**Author:** ![RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rd_s_alias_1a/32/49_2.png) [@RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/RD_S_Alias_1A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/6 "2007-11-03T03:09:47Z")
Can you do a pull up? How about a pushup? Can you take a dumbbell and extend your arm strait out and hold it? If so, do one pull up, and then as you come back down, hold it at the halfway mark as long as you can. Build up to 3 minutes. Do 10 circle pushups, hold at the top as long as you can, and then again at the bottom, and again half way. Do each as long as you can untill you can do each one 3 minutes. Hold the dumbel out to your sides as long as you can, and then to the front. Hold the dumbel so the palms would be down if they were open. Build up untill you can hold each for 3 minutes. NOW do all of your stretching. Also, if you can go to a Chinese herbalist who specializes in Kung Fu formulas and get a good hit wine that is blended for the joints. Take it 1-2 hours before you train. Do the above routine 4 times a week AFTER a good warm up. Make sure the warmup has extra arm circles and other light arm exercises in it so it’s tuned to the practice. The important thing here is t take it slow, and increase the time you hold slowly, and incrementally. Start with 30 second holds. If thta is not enough of a struggle, try 60 seconds. That should be plenty of a challenge at first. When you are done, THEN do your phisio therapy exercises and stretches. In 3 months you should be better. When you can hold each exercise for 3 minutes, you will be better, and stronger than before the injury. Make sure you avoid impact (Hitting bags etc), and do not do anything that would stress the joint, like wrestle and get arm bared. ---
**Author:** ![RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rd_s_alias_1a/32/49_2.png) [@RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/RD_S_Alias_1A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/7 "2007-11-03T03:14:15Z")
You may benefit from some bicep curls, preferably hammer curls and those curls where you twist upward to a palm up position since they both work some of the muscles in the bicep and forearm that is involved in bringing the arm upward. You should consider strengthening the entire arm. Reply] Agreed. I would like to add that doing them ridiculously slowly would be very beneficial as well. Think Tai Chi meets weight training. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Dugas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/dale_dugas/32/140_2.png) [@Dale\_Dugas](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Dale_Dugas)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/8 "2007-11-03T09:32:48Z")
Get yourself to an experienced dit da acupuncturist. They will be able to help you out. You should be able to find one in Manchesters Chinatown or elsewhere here is a link to try out: [http://www.herbsacupuncture.co.uk/index.html](http://www.herbsacupuncture.co.uk/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![kwaichang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5ac83/32.png) [@kwaichang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kwaichang)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 10:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/9 "2007-11-03T10:59:12Z")
Elbow If the X rays are negative for fracture or bone chip, then you should be able to have full extension. Have you had an MRI to show a ligament tear often the ligament at the head of the radius is torn. Also scar tissue forms with injuries such as this a long duration LOW intensity stretch will help if everything else is negative IE MRI etc PM me I think I can help. KC ---
**Author:** ![RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rd_s_alias_1a/32/49_2.png) [@RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/RD_S_Alias_1A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/10 "2007-11-03T16:22:47Z")
Good point, you should find out “Why” you are having the problem first befoe you try to fix it. ---
**Author:** ![RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rd_s_alias_1a/32/49_2.png) [@RD\_S\_Alias\_1A](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/RD_S_Alias_1A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 4:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/11 "2007-11-03T16:24:25Z")
Good point, you should find out “Why” you are having the problem first before you try to fix it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Willow\_Sword](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/the_willow_sword/32/108_2.png) [@The\_Willow\_Sword](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/The_Willow_Sword)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/12 "2007-11-03T17:52:14Z")
In addition to what KC stated SInce he is a PT and i am an LMT. From a Massage therapists standpoint, to deal with the scarring and the inflexability of your arm, a technique known as “Cross fiber friction” is essential here in order to realign the ligament and tendons. When scar tissue forms it does so in a “X” pattern and therefore shortens the ligament or tendon. With cross fiber friction work(which can be uncomfortable) you can facilitate change in the ligaments and tendons and allow them to realign themselves so that flexability can be restored. I wouldnt recommend lifting weights at this time(heavy weights) VERY light weights can be used and used SLOWLY. So in essence, find yourself a decent MT who can address your needs in your arm. ``` Peace,TWS ``` ---
**Author:** ![bodhitree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@bodhitree](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bodhitree)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/13 "2007-11-03T18:05:22Z")
rather than offering you another uninformed opinion i would suggest you start the thread with the title attn/ cjurakpt, or pm him, as he is the one who would actually know something about rehabilitating an injury ---
**Author:** ![The\_Willow\_Sword](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/the_willow_sword/32/108_2.png) [@The\_Willow\_Sword](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/The_Willow_Sword)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 6:14pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/14 "2007-11-03T18:14:12Z")
yeah he would be the only one here who would know:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bodhitree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@bodhitree](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bodhitree)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/15 "2007-11-03T18:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;813189]yeah he would be the only one here who would know:rolleyes:[/QUOTE] well, I’d rather get a professionals opinion, for all these guys know slow bicep curls might make the problem much worse ---
**Author:** ![kwaichang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5ac83/32.png) [@kwaichang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kwaichang)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/16 "2007-11-03T19:31:03Z")
TWS and I are professionals. But ask who you please just trying to help. KC:) ---
**Author:** ![golden\_arhat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/golden_arhat/32/662_2.png) [@golden\_arhat](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/golden_arhat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/17 "2007-11-03T20:05:49Z")
i’m going to phone my physio tomorrow and ask for another apointment i think my friend who suffered the same injury and demanded alot of physio and they just gave it to him are there different types of jow for ligaments as opposed to bruises early on i used jow to treat the swelling and that worked to an extent i’l talk to cjukarupt or however u spell it thanx guys any more thoughts would be readily appreciated 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![couch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@couch](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/couch)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/18 "2007-11-04T00:18:21Z")
[QUOTE=golden arhat;813222]i’m going to phone my physio tomorrow and ask for another apointment i think my friend who suffered the same injury and demanded alot of physio and they just gave it to him are there different types of jow for ligaments as opposed to bruises early on i used jow to treat the swelling and that worked to an extent i’l talk to cjukarupt or however u spell it thanx guys any more thoughts would be readily appreciated :)[/QUOTE] No offense to any physio’s, but Golden Arhat, they are a catch-bag of tricks. They’re going to throw anything the can at you to try and fix you. Jack of all trades, master of none. I am a Registered Acupuncturist and Chinese Medicine Practitioner. I believe that if you went to a good Chiropractor, Acupuncturist, or Massage Therapist you will find what you’re looking for. My very opinionated opinion, Kenton “The opinionator” Sefcik, R.Ac, Dip.Ac, Dip.TCM ---
**Author:** ![golden\_arhat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/golden_arhat/32/662_2.png) [@golden\_arhat](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/golden_arhat)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/19 "2007-11-04T01:03:57Z")
[QUOTE=couch;813238]No offense to any physio’s, but Golden Arhat, they are a catch-bag of tricks. They’re going to throw anything the can at you to try and fix you. Jack of all trades, master of none. I am a Registered Acupuncturist and Chinese Medicine Practitioner. I believe that if you went to a good Chiropractor, Acupuncturist, or Massage Therapist you will find what you’re looking for. My very opinionated opinion, Kenton Sefcik, R.Ac, Dip.Ac, Dip.TCM[/QUOTE] yeah dude but accupuncture COSTS physio here is free on the national health service however my training buddy jonny’s grandpa is a hung gar master and herbalist so i’l seek remedies from him aswell as i may get them for free i really cant afford to spend the amount i’d need to spend considering i am 16 years old but thankyou ---
**Author:** ![couch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@couch](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/couch)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639/20 "2007-11-04T03:12:44Z")
[QUOTE=golden arhat;813244]yeah dude but accupuncture COSTS physio here is free on the national health service however my training buddy jonny’s grandpa is a hung gar master and herbalist so i’l seek remedies from him aswell as i may get them for free i really cant afford to spend the amount i’d need to spend considering i am 16 years old but thankyou[/QUOTE] Although I understand your situation… It IS about priorities. People in my clinic, all the time, have to make decisions as to where they spend their money. Most of them spend it on their health…and they get better. Some of them don’t. If you want it, you will find a way and the universe will supply the means. Best, Kenton Sefcik [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/so-my-arm-is-refusing-to-heal/41639.md?page=2)