# Slow and Steady or fast track then detail ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [September 15, 2004, 11:49am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819 "2004-09-15T11:49:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![YongChun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9fc348/32.png) [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/21 "2004-09-16T18:37:51Z")
> Originally posted by SevenStar > Where is this teacher now? you’re not talking about choi, are you? I don’t remember any names and if I did I wouldn’t want to mention anyone. This incident occured more than 5 years ago if not longer. My friend was publishing a martial arts magazine at the time and also did a writeup of the event in this magazine because he was so angry. ---
**Author:** ![anerlich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/22 "2004-09-16T23:19:25Z")
> Who knows of any Wing Chun sifu who competed professionally? Rick Spain, 37 pro kickboxing matches and over 100 amateur. One of my sihing’s students won a shooto tournament just last week. ---
**Author:** ![YongChun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9fc348/32.png) [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/23 "2004-09-16T23:41:27Z")
> Originally posted by anerlich > [B]Rick Spain, 37 pro kickboxing matches and over 100 amateur. One of my sihing’s students won a shooto tournament just last week. [/B] Any vidoes around of Rick’s matches or anything? ---
**Author:** ![anerlich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/24 "2004-09-17T00:04:10Z")
Not unless he has some, definitely no commercial ones. REmember these occurred eighteen years ago or earlier. I have seen a vid of a demo match he put on with another high ranking WC guy. Purists would be disappointed, as it looks like kickboxing not WC, though high calibre kickboxing. There might be footage somewhere of his exibition bouts with Benny Urquidez and Bill Wallace - the latter was just clowning, the former a bit more of a slugfest. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/25 "2004-09-17T02:58:39Z")
> Originally posted by old jong > IMO, I prefer to learn (or teach) something new only if it is based on something well understood. Going too fast can mean having to go back to correct lots of mistakes an lose your times.But,it does not mean “stalling” a student either!.. Back to the original topic, OJ hit the nail on the head. ---
**Author:** ![lawrenceofidaho](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/lawrenceofidaho/32/478_2.png) [@lawrenceofidaho](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/lawrenceofidaho)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/26 "2004-09-19T14:41:39Z")
> Originally posted by YongChun > I have a friend in Chicago who went to a Ba Gua school. He questioned the “master” about what a certain movement was for and then the guy stepped on his knee and broke it. So that ended his journey into that fabulous art. That is so chicken-$hit to go all out on a technique when someone is intentionally allowing themselves to be vulnerable so you can demonstrate something. :rolleyes: To borrow a phrase from Ernie; -That “master” deserves a shoe job. :mad: -Lawrence ---
**Author:** ![Tydive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c2a13f/32.png) [@Tydive](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Tydive)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/27 "2004-09-19T18:06:25Z")
I think this post tells us exactly why there are more McDojo’s out there then traditional schools. With the emphasis on getting a new belt or stripe every few weeks you can keep people feeling like they are accomplishing something. What is the rush to get to the next form? Why not master the one you are working on then use that understanding to move on to another stage of training? You might also want to get some private lessons from your Sifu and focus on what you are not yet doing right. Are you relaxed enough? Do you try to force openings? Do you flow with the opponent? Have you realized that your opponent is really your partner? Are you trying to “win” rather than learn? Are you centered and present? Hopefully your Sifu or instructor can give you some feedback. If they can’t give you any specifics then look for another person who can communicate with you. One of my favorite quotes: “Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.” ---
**Author:** ![Kevin\_Bell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d07c76/32.png) [@Kevin\_Bell](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Kevin_Bell)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 8:17am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/28 "2004-09-20T08:17:23Z")
Hello Adrian, Well if you ever want to check out another Class and you dont mind traveling your always welcome to come down to Southampton and train with myself and Al Gibson. Alternatively being your from Surrey you could try Clive Potter in St Albans,class is a good friendly atmosphere or even try getting hold of Nick Forrer who i believe teaches somewhere in London,they are probably your best bet in terms travelling.Nick posts on this forum so give him an email. Kev Bell ---
**Author:** ![blooming\_lotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9a140/32.png) [@blooming\_lotus](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/blooming_lotus)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 8:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819/29 "2004-09-20T08:55:12Z")
this whole option 1 plays 2 thing is not obviously not restricted to WC. I like option 2. I obviously wouldn’t use it until I was proficient with it, but being the amount of travel I do, It works well enough for me. That being said though, I am fortunate to have enough in my arsenal to not need that move until it’s down. If it wasn’t for travel though, option 1 is always sound. cheers [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/slow-and-steady-or-fast-track-then-detail/28819.md?page=1)