What do people think of this system?From what I have experienced they seem to intergrate throws and locks very well.
Looks very effective and interesting to me.
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Incredible art. Very effecive.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
Shuai Jiao Folks
How do you guys train? I mean other than sparring. Do you have fighting sets, forms, etc. Just curious about that…
Re: Shuai Jiao Folks
Originally posted by PT-Kali
How do you guys train? I mean other than sparring. Do you have fighting sets, forms, etc. Just curious about that…
Obviously, you haven’t seen these videos.
http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/johnwang1.html
watch vid 11-15. You can watch the other as well. but vid 11-15 holds the answers to your questions..
wm
no, I haven’t seen them, nor does it look like I will now, they’re not working for me…
These are window media file. You can download window media player for both windows and mac. Goto microsoft’s site for detail. If you are on other type of OS, then you are out of luck.
wm
drilling, apparatus training (pulley, rock pole, etc) sparring, stance training, forms…
Not out of luck with other OS’s. I watched them using mplayer under Linux.
Wow , I hadn’t seen those. Cool
Technically I should have started a new thread for this, but what I am asking is fairly close to this thread’s topic.
In Finland - as far as I know, at least - there is no Shuai Jiao, so I cannot ask anybody in person nor can I go and observe myself. I have used the net, but these forums are always the best place to come to with a question like mine.
Some people say Shuai Jiao is closer to modern day Judo than any other well known martial art. In some sources, however, I have noticed references to ground fighting applications akin to BJJ and others.
So, my question is this: does Shiao Jiao include any ground fighting techniques?
Thanks 
//mika
Here’s a ‘typical’ 2 hour training session for me.
- Warm-up with body rotations
- jog for about 20 minutes
- cardio. This gets mixed up a lot, but it’s basically a combo of wind sprints, form work(in 2 minute rounds), belt cracking, lifting your training partner, push ups, jumping jacks, squats, etc
- falling. This is good to get in reps on the throws as well. If you do 5 throws * 20 reps, you’ve been thrown 100 times
- strategy. pick an application and drill it. We use this with light to medium resistance
- free wrasslin’
- Cool down with stance work
(Whispering on tiptoes: okay, okay, I’ll take my question and start a new thread…
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I have seen a list of training forms, or whatever. Such as 13 Tai Po and 24 shadow drills, can anyone elaborate on those?
In classical Shuai Chiao there is no ground rolling or sacrifice techniques. The SJ attitude is to throw you down hard and stick a sharp object into you. It really was meant for battlefield training in that regard…
MonkeySlap, thanks for the answer
Now, you mentioned in classical SJ there is no ground work. Are there other types of SJ that would include ground techniques?
Thanks
//mika
How old is Shui Chiao? I’m willing to bet it’s really old but some site claimed GM Chang is the founder of modern Shui Chiao.
Depending on how far you want to go, generic shuai jiao, chinese wrestling, goes back to the dawn of the chinese civilization.
There are three major styles of Chinese Shuai Jiao today. Beijing, Tienjian, and Baoding.
Bejing - emphasize strength over techniques, heavily influence by Mongolian wrestling.
Tienjian - emphasize techniques over strength.
Baoding - a balance of strength and techniques.
GM Chang is certainly one of the best Baoding Shuai Jiao practioner of the modern era. But, I don’t think it would be correct to say he is the father of modern shuai jiao. He can be considered to be the father of US shuai jiao movement.
wm
I just located some cool clips at www.combatshuaichiao.com
I watched one video which shows the 13 Tai Po and 24 shadow fighting linked together…is this is how it’s taught in the states? The clip was obviously from China…
Hi sc_guy,
I think the 120 move form would be great from the standpoint of having a reference form to work with. I remember you saying in another forum that some of the Shuai Chiao techniques have more than one name. I hope that you document them so that those names would not be lost; sometimes the different name will give a person a better understanding of how to do the technique.
By the way, for years now, Liang Shouyu has been working on a Shuai Chiao that documents 300 throws. It is supposed to be published through YMAA. I hope this happens.
mickey