Could somebody please outline say, oh, the first 5 throws you might be taught, how they are executed, and possibly link to some pictures.
I’m phenomenally bored and would love to learn something today. (I’m at work)
I’ll give you the first: Diagonal Cut
Very, very similar to O Soto Gari
To get the throw with no gi, you want to get a hold of either the crook of the elbow or just above the wrist bone. Thins is your natural handle.
First throw is break the balance and push. Second variation is the reap, but not Japanese style. Reap into a Karate style front stance, it gives the throw a different flavor. Make sura that at the end there is a straight line from the head to the heal. The reason for this becomes apparent once you get the throw. A good follow up is a simple soccer kick to the head. Have fun.
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I’m not envisioning this.
Sorry about private being turned off, but it’s a work system thing. 
Ok. Assume I diagonal cut to my left, his right (ie, as if I were doing O-soto-gari.) Where does my left hand go. Where does my right? Do I break the balance to the back corner as if I were doing O-Soto?
O Merry just go drill a rolling kneebar or flying armbar don’t worry about those hard to get takedowns.
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The left hand breaks just like O Soto Gari. You want your hand in the crook of his right elbow or around his right wrist. Play with this and you’ll see what I mean about natural handles.
Your right hand cuts against his right shoulder, this is where you manioulate his center of balance.
The only difference in the actual reap is think about making a forward stance instead of reaping. It increases the velocity on the way down. You’re kinda stretching him out more if that makes sense.
I CAN’T…
Or I would. I work in a secure facility or I’d invite one of my training buds up here for a work out.
I don’t like the flying armbar. I’m too butt heavy…
And just for the record, I have a FINE low sweep single to scoop finish.
One more point. Your right leg “slams” back into a front stance so your left foot is forward. That’s the reap.
No, I completely understand.
In O-Soto-Gari, you break the balance to their back right corner and up with the sleeve grip on the left and the collar grip on the right by lifting up on the collar grip and driving to that corner. This loads their right leg and when you step behind and reap it, BOOM on their back.
You make sure you go into a front stance. As you push/pull on the left shoulder, by bringing your left foot forward into the front stance they fall over your right leg, yeah?
How about set ups? Do you snap down to their front right corner then drive up and to the back right corner? Or do you push/pull on the left to torque the body and put their weight on the front right leg?
OK, now we’re getting closer. The break is a step in and of itself. Once you have the break, he’s already thrown, he just doesn’t know it yet. The right hand comes in almost at the same time as the break, but the breaking of the root isa the secret. You should be able to hold the guy off balance with your left hand once you have “stolen his center” The right hand is a atrike. Actually, it’s more of dropping your weight into the guy through your forearm, but there’s no way I can explain that one online.
You also step in a little deeper with your left foot than in Judo. It’s behind his foot and off to the left about 6-8 inches.
You’re correct in the reap except: The reap in not necesary to execution. The reap simply makes you go down that much faster.
Water–my biggest problem is freezing that darn right foot to the mat. I can’t seem to get the weight there. I guess that’s what I’m trying to ask about.
You don’t have to explain the fore-arm thing. I COMPLETELY understand that. Vital or there’s not enough “oomph.” Difference between a throw you can spin out of/defend and having your right leg completely immoble and then falling over it.
And the reap IS important under Judo rules—flat back=ippon and getting the guys feet off the ground is the best way to help ensure that Of course, as you mention, it is NOT vital to actually throwing the guy.
Yes–you’d have to step deeper to stretch him out. Narrower foot placement would facilitate a reap.
Originally posted by Merryprankster
Water–my biggest problem is freezing that darn right foot to the mat. I can’t seem to get the weight there. I guess that’s what I’m trying to ask about.
OK. First got out of Judo mode. In Shuai Chiao, you want him on the ground, you don’t care how. If the reap is there, take it if not, just punch him. You can get the throw real nicely provided you have him broken by cracking him with a horizontal elbow across the jaw. It’s the concept, not the actual tech 
The breaking is the hard part, you just need to practice it a lot. No break, no throw. You can try stepping deeper. I CAN tell you that you want him set up like your going for an ankle pick, that’s how it’s gonna feel to him in his right foot.
Got it.
And I use a snap down for that. Good. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Trust me—I’m out of Judo mode. Never been in it This is rather apparent every time I randori with a 230 lb ex judoka named phil… Or Rhadi… Or Lloyd… Or a guy named Melvin
Do I want him to step with that right foot to lead him into it? Or is the trick to learn to do the throw without that help?
I once O-soto’d a guy who was going for a flying armbar. Not pretty
If I’m picturing this right, and it’s characteristic of SC, then I can totally see the SC influence in Cheng Ting Hua’s bagua. Man… I hope I live near a teacher of this stuff at some point.
Examples:
We do have some throw examples that we slowed down on our website… its shuaichiao.org. Some are pretty basic and some are more indepth. We try to change them out once every 2 months. This may help you with visualizing some of the dynamics of the throws
Hope this helps
Greg
Hey!!! I gotta get, I have BJJ in a half hour. Check this site out:
Not my school, but they have some nice vid clips. Shoot me a private w/ your e-mail address. I have a Daigonal Cut variation on a vid clip so you can see what I’m talking about.
Rhino Gazes at the moon.
You set up your opponent with a “bump” as you turn into him, taking his balance and grabbing his arm at the wrist and crook of the elbow (since you turned into him, your back is to him.) You want bend your knees as you turn andmake sure that you step deep enough into him that your hips are against him, and maybe just below tan tien level - no doubt hip placement varies with height, but after playing with it, you’ll easily know where you should be. Thrust your hips back into your opponent as you bend over, sending him head first to the ground. It’s basically a shoulder throw.
yeah, go to that site and check out the throw alley.