Many people claim that it is a good idea not to use fakes on the street. What do you think about this? Thanks in advance.
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I think you can use fakes if you have that attacker on the defensive. But if an attacker sees that you can take him (thus being on the defensive), he’d probably run. If you’re on the defensive then definitely not.
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Have you ever been in a street fight?
Your not going to be faking (Mabey your name if the Cops Show) Streetfight is completely different that sparring. There are so many uncontrolable varibles. Prety much Hit , hit and keep hitting untill you drop them. If you fake that is one wasted movement that buddy is ging to react on.
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But what is faking for? To get open up the opponent’s defenses (make him respond) so you can as you say ‘Prety much Hit , hit and keep hitting untill you drop them’. You know, act like you’re going low, come high.
Again, he has to be on the defensive (as in 'ok, this guy’s hits hurts. I have to block every swing from this guy because that hurt).
And yes I’ve use it in street fights before.
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The danger is that they don’t respond to a fake, and just focus on hitting you instead. While you are “faking” them, they can be not faking the hit on you.
I say it’s not worth the risk.
JWT
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[This message was edited by Jon Wayne Taylor on 10-19-01 at 11:57 AM.]
I definitely strongly avoid faking at all times (just in case you really do fight like you train). Of course, certainly there’s a big place for non-telegraphed attacks and other ‘passive deception,’ just not ‘active deception’ like fakes. I also often ‘feed’ the opponent something in order to cause a response; but the feed is a legitimate attack. Faking just seems like wasted movement; and I prefer a reactive approach (or a feed and react approach) - which isn’t as bad as it sounds, since if someone is really trying to attack you, they’ll usually bridge for you (whereas if they’re not intent on attacking you, why not just diffuse the situation or leave, rather than fight?) Or if you have to attack someone for some reason and they don’t know you’re attacking them; there’s no need to fake, just smack them around from behind.
That said, I’ve seen fakes used in real fights before, and train to fight against such techniques.
JWT
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I only fake when there is absolutly no opening.Most street fights I’ve been in the guy suddenly calms down when he sees I know me than he thought I did about fighting.But I’m 6 foot 200 lbs. so most people leave me alone.
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good question, i was thinking about this to.
what is the point of faking in a street fight, if the opponent doesnt respond to the fake.
Faking would be a good idea if your opponent is intimidated by you, probably because you landed a solid technique on him.
One technique that i think would be good to use is to throw a couple low leg roundhouse kicks, after about 2 or 3 your opponent may think you are throwing it again to his thigh, and of course fake and strike the head with the kick. This works all the time in sparring, and im sure it would work in a street fight.
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Why use a fake when you can break his guard and follow up more effectively?
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don;t know what kind of fights you guys have been in but I see no reason to disregard faking. I find that rather absurd. Why are you training martial arts if you aren’t gonna use what you know. A fake isn’t always necessary, but don’t throw out strategy just because you’re on the street. It’s all about flow and what you need for a certain opponent. just attack, attack attack is straight out sloppy and a waste of energy. Don’t let your opponent draw you into his style of fighting, just because he is wild doesn’t mean you have to have wild reactions.
I fake, it works. Noone wants to get hit. if you shyoot a hane out at a face medium speed your opponent will more than likely evade that attack openeing himself up for others, like a low line kick or something. Faking is an important element of fighting and believe me when I say it wasn’t created for nothing.
PS-Street fighters are often overrated in martial artscircles. Contrary to popular belief they aren’t fighting machines who magically counter techniques just because they happen to be high or circular.
Sorry but if you hit a guy to the point he thinks he needs to block EVERY swing at him, he’s falling for the fake.
I did say if he is on the defensive and practically running from you. And yes bigger guys can be scared too.
Nobody ever listens to me :rolleyes: .
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“Damn it’s cold out here to be practicing.”
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Just the fact that you spar gives you an advantage over your average fighter. Most people dont train to fight or think about fighting strategies. They think ‘I’m gonna beat his ass’. That’s not a strategy, that’s emotionally driven bullsi*.’ Please don’t belittle your training by not using what you know.
I’m not belittling my training. I don’t train to use fakes and I don’t use them.
when asked this by one of my class mates my pervious teacher said that faking is fine as long as the fake is a real attack.
if you want to divert their attention, fine, but would if that fake strike could have landed. if you want to hit low, hit high first. if the first strike negates your second deal with it. everything changes in the moment and you have to adapt and flow.
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Depends on how the fight starts I think.
Most of that stuff is not “dueling” and someone is right close to you, or just suddenly punches or grabs you. There is no time to fake per se.
However if you have distance from you, and you fake to kick or fake to double leg, etc. you might pull it off.
But like someone else said, I kind of like to make the fake a real attack. When I clinch I try to double up on the jab sometimes and move in. I don’t fake it because he might not respond and hit me as I come in. If I actually throw real jabs he has to deal with them, and gives me some safer time to get a hold of him.
… then throw him with Chinese BJJ and run! 
sorry couldn’t resist.
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I think using the term “set-up” might be better than “fake”. A set-up can involve a real attack that also attempts to provoke a reaction. If the opponent doesn’t “buy” the set-up, then he/she gets hit with it.
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Fakes
I would never use a fake in a streetfight, I don’t like the thought of giving my attacker an opportunity to hit me. I’ve never had time to use a fake in a streetfight, I have always just jumped in and not given them a chance to counterattack, 
I saw tons of streetfights growing up, and I saw very few fakes. I can only recall one time where it worked, but the guy didn’t even need to fake. These two guys got into a standoff, the bigger guy faked a right to the little guy, the little guy kinda cowered and put his hands up, and the big guy pounded him with hooks until some people broke it up. When I did see other fakes, the other person either stepped back, or they rushed them and beat them down. The only times that I have ever used fakes are during push hands or sparring; in a controlled environment.
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Faking is great. Like um, if you’re fighting some one way faster than you and straight attacks don’t work, and counters are impossible to pull off, it’s time to resort to trickery. They work especially good against hyper-defensive types. Fakes will open up all of the vitals for you, all of the targets.Attacking by draw is the shizat. Let them think you’re open or think they have the upperhand and then PLONK heh heh.
Are we talking about feinting? That’s boxing 101. “Most punches are preceded by a feint of some sort” to paraphrase Bruce Lee