Shaolins destruction !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hemming - I’m tryin to pick through the news on Russbo.com. like everyobody else.
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What is the situation of the Secular disciples Union? One report said the Union’s training school is close and being demolished. Is it slated for demolition and renovation. How about all the schools that don’t belong to the Shaolin temple at he Shaolin Area? Are they all slated for demolition. Where will all the other schools go? Some of those schools are run by Ex-monks aren’t they? Do they have friendly relations with the Temple or do some have friendly relations and some don’t?
I just made arrangements for a group to train at one of the chools there so i know they are not all gone yet, but i don’t know the future. The word i just got back was every thing seems to be being demolished".
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Can you answer some questions and you can take the opportunity to tell someything about your school. If you have any previous post that has this information, please let me know…

How about your school? Can you tell me what are the training fees for full-time study? Are they open to bargaining or a sliding scale? Are foriegners charged a different rate than chinese?
Do they ask for RMB or American $.
How about yourself? What is your current function. You are not a local person? You are from one of the chinese developed cities?
How many secular schools does the Shaolin Temple run? How many training facilities?
Like one for foreigners, another for chinese? maybe another for kids?
How many schools for monks? How many non-secular real monks are there now.? I am am very out of date . I think in 1987 there were only 12, all being older and only one being 18 years?

“Without water there would be no fish”

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E-mail sent to Hemming

Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:46:43 -0700
Subject: Demolition of Secular Union?
Heming@shaolintemple.zzn.com

Hi Hemming,
Probably you don’t check kungfuonline.com very often so i send you
this e-mail to tell you i posted a question under post called
“Hemming - Demolition of Secular Union?”
This is not a political question, just hoping to get some information.
regards
stumblefist

Hemming…Demolition of secular union?
…
(The posted text was included in the e-mail).

“Without water there would be no fish”

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hey stumblefist, what school are you going to, do they have a website?

i was considering training with heming, did he reply to your email?

does anyone know of any contacts (web address, email address, post, tel no etc) of other schools in the shaolin area.

thanks to anyone that replies.

“satisfaction loses,and humility gains”

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You can contact Heming at www.shaolin1500.com it may take him awhile to respond he said this is the busy time of year at shaolin and I think the festival is coming up

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www.shaolindynasty.cjb.net

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I just got done talking to Heming, the secular union is still as it used to be. No changes there. Although I did see elsewhere that there were changes and that they were now practicing in the hills somewhere. shrug As I’ve understood it the Secular Union is within shaolin and very much official so it would be strange of they were forced out.

Amitabha

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Shaolin Schools

Stubbs:
Yes, I have a contact for another school about 500 meters from Shaolin. I can get reasonable prices. They train mostly Shaolin, Tongbei and SanDa. I negotiated with them on behalf of Barry’s group. Last message i got from Barry he was quite happy with the arrrangement. Get the full details when he gets back. Take the numbers of the Shaolin Festival thread.
SDynasty:
Thanks,NO response from Heming yet, but i will wait a while as i do suspect they are busy.

Inpho: There were other reports on russsbo. It may be that the secular Union’s training hall is slated for RENOVATION , but i don’t even know what kind of facilities they have.

“Without water there would be no fish”

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confirmation

Inpho:
Ok, I really doubt you. You claim you just talked to Heming, and i took another look at russbo and it was the administrator himself who says The union is gone
And HEMING COFIRMS IT!

By doc (Admin) (203.93.165.38) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 08:38 pm: Edit

“The Secular Disciple’s school is no longer in existance in Shaolin at this time, as I’ve been told. It will probably rebuild at some future date in Dengfeng, where all the other schools are going. The Shaolin village is slowly being torn down, as per last year’s plans, but this time with partial compensation and relocation for the villagers. All seems to be peaceful this time. If you’ve got plans in the nearby future to train at one of these schools, I suggest that you definitely find out if the school exists before you leave. Training at local schools in nearby Dengfeng is safe, as those schools are “stable” right now, and should be in the future.”

Interesting times in Shaolin.

From the Gobi desert,
doc

Interesting times in Shaolin.

From the Gobi desert,
doc

By Heming (211.159.3.216) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 06:21 am: Edit

Hello all buds,
this is Heming from Shaolin Temple Secular Disciple’s Union, you guys must saw me before on the site already,
yes, the village is torning down and all the kungfu students are forced to leave Shaolin…our team has been moved to the temple “Dharma’s King” in the Songshan mountain and we are keep training in the deep mountain again, it’s a larger and beautiful temple which is the father temple of Shaolin, the first temple of “Dharma’s forest” in Songshan.

Heming your friends still in Shaolin Dharma’s forest

email: heming@shaolintemple.zzn.com
site: http://shaolin1500.com

“Without water there would be no fish”

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pardon my ignorance

the secular disciple’s union or whatever it is called… this is different then the ‘wushu guan’?
if so, they are both equally an off shoot of the actual temple that the government has ordered monks to teach at?

harmonize the forces of heaven, earth, and hell.

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Heming’s News from Shaolin Temple–Let’s stay cool!

Hello dear all friends,

We are really doing fine in Shaolin Temple, appreciate you all very very much, all of you are so nice!!!

Yes, under the destruction movement we were moved our kungfu team to the Songshan mountain the Temple of Dharma King, right now our Shaolin Temple Secular Disciple’s Union is still there nicely!

One of master’s disciple is working in the Beijing government as the body guard of President Jiang, so he helped master and used his power to stopped the destruction…we are really lucky this time and right now Shaolin Temple Secular Disciple’s Union is the only one kungfu team will left and survive in Shaolin Temple.

I am not sure what the future of our kungfu team will be, maybe after one year or two years there will be another movement happen again which will be powerful enough to make master and us leave our Shaolin Temple, but I believer Buddha will always bless us and Shaolin Spirits will keep our Kungfu Team together forever!

Thanks everyone again and I wish to hear from you all again soon, my Email is <heming@shaolintemple.zzn.com>

Welcome to get in touch with me again!

Best wishes with many blessings!

Heming, Shaolin Temple

Heming
Shaolin Secular Disciple’s Union,
Shaolin Temple, Mt.Song, Henan 452491, P.R.China
Tel: +86(371)2749172
Fax: +1(212)98143
ICQ#: 17145752
Email: heming@shaolintemple.zzn.com
http://www.topcities.com/Arts/heming/index.htm
http://shaolintemple.yeah.net

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stumblefist, well clearly I was wrong but here is the subject of the mail from Heming:

“Subject: Welcome to Shaolin next summer! We are still in Shaolin Temple as usual.”

Further, it’s rather rude of you to imply I wasn’t being honest, perhaps stop being so confrontational?

Amitabha

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Rudeness

"I just got done talking to Heming, the secular union is still as it used to be. No changes there. "
I find it rude when someone reports hypothesis as fact. In fact i find it “confrontational”. Receiving a form letter is not information. Ain’t you got no smarts?

“Ok, I really doubt you.”
If you think this is unjustified you might need one of those desensitization courses.

“Without water there would be no fish”

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Heming: Other Questions

“One of master’s disciple is working in the Beijing government as the body guard of President Jiang, so he helped master and used his power to stopped the destruction…we are really lucky this time and right now Shaolin Temple Secular Disciple’s Union is the only one kungfu team will left and survive in Shaolin Temple.”

What destruction was stopped? Why was it necessary to have influence? Is the SDU not directly a part of Shaolin or is it just a relationship betwwen your master and the abbot?
Also if you get a change could you answer the other questions? Especailly about cost ot training$$$
thanks in advance.

The other questions are:
“How about your school? Can you tell me what are the training fees for full-time study? Are they open to bargaining or a sliding scale? Are foriegners charged a different rate than chinese?
Do they ask for RMB or American $.
How about yourself? What is your current function. You are not a local person? You are from one of the chinese developed cities?
How many secular schools does the Shaolin Temple run? How many training facilities?
Like one for foreigners, another for chinese? maybe another for kids?
How many schools for monks? How many non-secular real monks are there now.? I am am very out of date . I think in 1987 there were only 12, all being older and only one being 18 years?”

“Without water there would be no fish”

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talking about form letters…

Heming posted the same message on Russbo.com.
It really wasn’t a personal reply the the questions.

“Without water there would be no fish”

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Hi Ms. Bride!

I had your same questions so i asked Doc on russbo. Below is his answer. Hmmm… still don’t know what happens at the Wushu Guan. Ad which “government” is the owner is a good question with some consequence i.e. one of the warlords or an arm of Beijing?
Looks like the SDU is really a “private” school with “guanxi” connections. And Tagou? well i will read my bleary eyes…

I still owe you an answer on the other thread. Til then…

---------from doc on russbo.com -----------
Clarification!
It’s all in the web site. Seek, and you shall find!

But, since you’re probably busy, the wushu guan is owned by the Henan government. The SDU is owned by Shi Heng Jun, a monk of the Shaolin temple. The Shaolin temple, run by abbot Shi Yong Xin, does not officially sanction anybody (it did sanction the Tagou school, but, again, read the web site and the latest in the discussion forum…) The SDU is a school in the valley, as there are many other schools. Or, used to be. They derive their “association” with the temple by the fact that most of the schools have headmasters that are/were Shaolin monks. No other association should be implied, expecially considering the politics of the place these past few years (again, read the web site).

Start in the Shaolin FAQ. Work your way to the Destruction section, in the Fugue section (read that too). Read appropriate parts in the discussion forum. I need to update the Destruction section, soon."

“Without water there would be no fish”

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from Heming to Stumblefist, Inpho, Shaolindynasty, stubbs and BrideWithWhiteHair

Greetings dear Stumblefist, Inpho,Shaolindynasty, stubbs and dear BrideWithWhiteHair!

Appreciate for your posts! It doesn’t mind if I give a personal message or a general message, I am here to talk to you all openly, okay?

Here are several answers to your questions

Why was it necessary to have influence?
Because in our philosophy there is one rule–“to use violence to stop violence”. Here we apply it as “to use influence to stop influence”.

Is the SDU not directly a part of Shaolin or is it just a relationship between your master and the abbot?

There is relatinoship between every monks, they are actually all members of the Shaolin family and they are all Buddhist brothers.
SDU is a part of Shaolin for hundreds years since Tang Dynasty.

Can you tell me what are the training fees for full-time study? Are they open to bargaining or a sliding scale?

the tuition fee is fixed.

for disciples there is no tuition fee. for kungfu students they pay USD1500 for one year training in master’s team, include tution fee, food and accomodatin and also free internet accession.

for those short visitors (few months) master charge USD 400/month as a training fee and donation to our kungfu team.

Are foriegners charged a different rate than chinese?
Yes, for Chinese kungfu student the tuition is RMB1500-2000/year. Not include food and other expense.

How about yourself? What is your current function. You are not a local person? You are from one of the chinese developed cities?

Me? I am a disciple still studying from master Shi Heng Jun, also a volenteer to help master to cope with the Public contact. I don’t have a function in SDU. I am not a local person, my family is in Hong Kong and I came to Shaolin in 1999.

How many secular schools does the Shaolin Temple run?
There were secular schools run by master Shi De Yang, master Yong Di, master Yan Zang, but right now only Master Heng Jun’s is left.

How many training facilities?
Like one for foreigners, another for chinese? maybe another for kids?

There are different teams of different kungfu levels, for foreigner students they are training together in a small team of 5 to 7 people, with an English speaking disciple, (sometimes me)

Okay, my time is limited especially these days…talk to you soon again here, wish you all good luck with hard training and less mouth fight,hahaha…

Heming, Shaolin Temple

Heming
Shaolin Secular Disciple’s Union,
Shaolin Temple, Mt.Song, Henan 452491, P.R.China
Tel: +86(371)2749172
ICQ#: 17145752
Email: webmaster@shaolintemple.zzn.com
http://shaolin1500.com
http://photos.yahoo.com/mrheming

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how do you become a deciple?

also, stumblefist, i’ve sent you a message on your icq thingy, can you check it.

thanks,
stubbs

“satisfaction loses,and humility gains”

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ICQ

Stubbs, I’m not at my old apt. now so i may have some trouble getting on ICQ I will check it out. Maybe i can find OICQ but e-mail is more certain.

“Without water there would be no fish”

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Thanks

Thanks Heming.
That’s a good effort in answering questions.
Sure! form letter or personal it all adds to communication.
Some of your answers might be interpretative. Also some answers invite more questions like Stubbs’s above, or more on who’s influence against whos, or more about the discriminataion in price as per race and nationality and so on. But that’s enough for me for now.
I would not discourage people from questioning and arguing with an attitude of discovery. I think especially in Martial Arts it is useful for people to learn to discriminate and develop their own opinions rather than to parrot the ideas of others.

“Without water there would be no fish”

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Shaolins destruction !!!

Shoalin schools all around Shaolin will be pulled down within 2 years, this however shocking to people in the know is going to happen.
Along with my training, i did some research and with titbits from many different people assures me this to be true.
Made freinds with a chinese student who told me even up to the Dharma Hotel will be turned into a scenic wonderland, couldnt email from there as i felt like i was being watched.
Got some footage of the buildings all around the temple being pulled down.
The day before we left all the little shops around and even opposite the temple, were subjected to an invasion of goverment officials, army and police before the diggers took over.
A sad sight as all the poeple moved there belongings onto trailers and moved away.
My freinds and i split by accident and they ended up training with the secular disciple union before it was pulled down and was chased into the mountains by the army.
They then moved to Fang Wang Temple near to Donfeng, they finished there training there.
All shoalin schools are to move to in and around Donfeng, along with the all the businesses in the area.
This was confirmed near to the end of my trip by one of the shop owners whom i also made freinds with.
Yes the training was very good and would go again, they work very hard, and while we were there trained 7-8hrs a day, every day ( except when raining !!! )
Thanks to Stumblefist for all your help.
I think this is the true meaning of forum, not just to sit in front of your keyboards.
Help from people who have been there and in return maybe one day to help them.
Peace
P.S.
BARRY: old Irish name, translated into English as Spearwarrior.

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I’m not familliar with Shaolin area geography, but I want to know, are they tearing down Tagou too? I thought that school was “Real” close to the temple.

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