so what does the other CMA do that don’t make an H?
Originally posted by tao of wushu
[B] BSL and other CMA’s will go from south to north and back with deviations in it’s pattern!
~Jason:D [/B]
move east to west
In my experience, most shaolin forms move east and west (usually starting west a couple moves, or at least a look to the left) then go east. A lot of shaolin forms end in the “hero” pose…i.e. horse position with left fist down to left thigh and right fist above the head. However, these are only generally true, there are of course exceptions.
The plum flower forms move in different directions, as in the petals of the flower.
germpest
If you hold the staff at one end, you maximise your range. This does not mean that you cannot use 2 ends, it just means that your ready position is with one end pointed at your opponent.
And if you are silly enough to allow your opponent to take control of the other end, then you deserve to have it taken off you 
Just out of curiosity, wouldn’t holding a staff near the one end add more power to a swing? Sorta like if you choke up on a hammer, versus swinging it from the base?
Yup. Leverage.
Also allows you to use short movements, and linear attacks (jabs) more easily than a central grip.
In our style, we transition from end-grip to central grip fairly regularly, depending on what attack/defence you are performing. However our on-guard position is a one-ended grip.
takes longer to swing from the end. more power is generated in the middle, by “pushing and pulling”, the striking end is pushed as the other is pulled at doubling the power, add that with proper foot work and rotation. ouch.
Originally posted by germpest
takes longer to swing from the end. more power is generated in the middle, by “pushing and pulling”, the striking end is pushed as the other is pulled at doubling the power, add that with proper foot work and rotation. ouch.
In germpests profile, under the section “How long have you trained” it says “About a year.”
Explains a lot huh!
Originally posted by germpest
takes longer to swing from the end. more power is generated in the middle, by “pushing and pulling”, the striking end is pushed as the other is pulled at doubling the power, add that with proper foot work and rotation. ouch.
You can still use a push/pull motion holding it single ended. However you also have the advantage of leverage
depends on the size of the staff 
dawood
Didn’t chinese staff fighting develop from the spear??
Either way I think you should be familiar with different grips and the possible combinations/attacks.
I am not sure about that. I would make sense to me that it would have been the other way around as the staff is a simpler weapon. But who knows?
LC: i think some staff techniques did… the longer poles certainly have that influence… but the “eyebrow high” pole is not so similar. Im sure you have seen the Chen spear 
dawood
Dawood.
Thanks, yeah I have seen the Chen spear.
BTW, still waiting for my Sifu to demo the other stuff he hasn’t shown us yet. Here is what I know he knows of our weapons.
1.) single straight sword (dan jian)
2.) double straight sword (jian)
3.) single broad sword (dan dao)
4.) staff (gun)
5.) 13 long pole (shisan gan)
6.) double mace (shuang jian)
7.) spring autumn big broadsword (chunjiu dadao)
8.) pear blossom spear with white ape staff (liuhua qiang/baiyuan gun)
9.) etc.
cool, as i dont do chen i havent seen so much
lao ji yi and er lu,
xin jia yi and er lu
19 step form
38 step form
25 step form
broadsword
straight sword
spear
pole
kwan dao
thats it really, they look very cool… i know theres a lot more that we do such as fan, steel ball etc. but i havent seen it
dawood
Originally posted by dezhen2001
… thats it really, they look very cool… i know theres a lot more that we do such as fan, steel ball etc. but i havent seen it
dawood
There is also a 2 section staff form.
Steel ball weighs a mere 14kg(~31 pounds).
Not sure of the steel tube exercise as yet, only seen a few pics.
But those are still some way off for me.
Cheers.
a mere 14kg LOL! i havent seen those, only read about them… im not a chen guy remember
dawood
I posted some Shaolin stick clips in the thread called “video clips for stick”
You can see that one end is for hitting.
After this method is mastered the other end is used also.
Shaolin staff uses long range and the method of using a long weapon for close quarter fighting.
It is not the method where the grip is near the middle and you use your hands for push and pull leverage though.
That is rather dangerous as it leaves a big whole in the middle.
There is a method where the hands are near the middle, but closer to one side than the other as well as several other methods.
Ming dynasty Shaolin manuscripts also describe the chief movement and posture of staff and spear “barbarian surrendering pose”
One end of the weapon points to the enemy at all times.
Holding the weapon like a double ended oar for a kayak is not too good.
Originally posted by Tainan Mantis
One end of the weapon points to the enemy at all times.
Holding the weapon like a double ended oar for a kayak is not too good.
why? for both of the sentences.
different strokes
Just to chime in a bit. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. A middle grip like germpest posts is better for a shorter stick. About EyeBrow height as was mentioned. Trying to do long pole techniques with this staff is not that effective because to little of the end is left after proper gripping. The key to this style is the “double head.” Your center is not as exposed as you may think.
Long pole techniques did originate from spear. In the “water margin” you read of people walking around with their spear and broadsword. It was common for people to bring these weapons into a restaurant. Spear techniques were derived from armies having to fight side by side so it’s very linear. Later, it was thought that the point was too brutal and thus moved to long pole.
By holding it on one end, very small movements translate to very powerful movements at the end. My si-hing can pulverize walnuts at the end of his 9 foot staff with very little motion. Trying to grab the end from a good player can be very detrimental to your health
Hung Gar has both long and short stick sets.