# Shaolin busts fake monks in CA **URL:** \ **Category:** Shaolin Kung Fu\ **Created:** [March 2, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431 "2005-03-02T18:15:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/21 "2005-03-07T17:45:27Z")
Shaolin Snoop Dog So there were a few more articles in our local Chinese newspapers about the recent Masonic show here in SF. Attorney Huang said that Shaolin Temple was not going to pursue this issue and left it for the people of the SF bay area to sort it out. Ho still claims he has the rights to do whatever he likes with his 25 martial monks, 3 coaches, 3 doctors and 1 buddhist monk, according to his contract. He also stated that the Abbot was misrepresenting the last tour since it wasn’t all martial monks like he claimed. There were several kids under 18, and you have to be 18 to be a monk, so those kids weren’t ‘martial monks’, they were shami, implying that they don’t count so the Abbot was lying. Ho’s troupe is to remain in the area for a few more months. They have another show scheduled, April 9 in Sacramento, a Charity fundraiser to rebuild a retirement home. Of the 3165 seats in the Masonic, the show sold 2500 seats in the evening and 1800 in the afternoon. Leland Yee was there with his wife and presented a plaque to Ho. Guosong said that if you check the official Shaolin website, you can still find his name as a current martial monk. Attorney Huang said that the website hasn’t been updated, and it will also include a press release from the Abbot concerning this. We gave a cursory glance to the website and couldn’t find either Guosong’s name or the press release. This was all reported Saturday (continued debate) and Sunday (review of show) in World Journal. ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinlueb](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/shaolinlueb/32/425_2.png) [@Shaolinlueb](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shaolinlueb)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/22 "2005-03-07T18:56:23Z")
gene. 95% of the people in the show wont know the difference. only people like us who know not everyone who trains at shaolin isnt a monk. sure they study shaolin so dont 44,000+ plus people in the area. there are always a couple to go for the ride. ---
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/23 "2005-03-07T22:50:50Z")
Ahh, but the show is not the point… Please keep in mind that I’m just relating a rather hasty translation of what was published in the [World Journal](http://www.worldjournal.com/About_us-e.php). I’m more interested in this for the impact on Chinese pop culture, since that’s what shapes a lot of CMA culture. Many students get their information from their masters alone and don’t realize that it might just be something that they read in the paper. There is a precedent case for the fake monk tours - it goes back to Hong Kong in the early nineties. I’d have to dig through my notes to remember the exact details, but I would argue that this incident set the standard for fake monk tours for the last decade plus. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/24 "2005-03-08T03:18:20Z")
I think “Attorney Huang” is a cool handle!! Straight out of a Run Run Shaw extravaganza. pei pei: Don’t do it, attorney Huang will find out! bruce: hmmph, attorney Huang will never know! pei pei: more tea? ---
**Author:** ![YuanZhideDiZhen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/df788c/32.png) [@YuanZhideDiZhen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YuanZhideDiZhen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 7:20am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/25 "2005-03-12T07:20:08Z")
Gene: Yeah, i too remember a few ‘fake’ Shao Lin tours in the states and one that started in Korea and made to Taiwan before getting the boot in either seattle or sf. it was precisely that hubbub that created a discussion at one our family dinners (a bi-weekly occurance) in which i recieved a fair bit of knowledge about the temple and its rivalries. before that i knew nothing. Sifu’s school opened for a group of Shao Lin monks at the Washington International by request from Shao Lin to the tournament’s Sponsor where we learned a great deal more from a supervised session with the monk named Bow. From a publisher’s pov i can understand what you said. from a legal pov i see other things as well that I have not mentioned but you have appraoched. The Shao Lin Monks are fairly business and political savy because they have retained thier right to exist in an environment intolerant of differing philosophy. And Rivalry does fuel the media fire here in the states. In China they have a business license as well as a religious license _for each member monk_ which costs bucks. Each Member Monk is alloowed a certain number of decipes, and thier deciples acolytes: each of which have different licensing requirements and costs. that’s how some aspects of artisanship works in china: you either serve the community and they serve you and you pay for specific rights of capitalism and prosyletisation. Your statement about promoters is true too, but also fairly decieving as just about every aspect of a presentation’s fiscal responsibility and rewards are dictated by law in the united states: which did not occur even twenty years ago. it first occurred on paper in 1990 and was further explained in 1995 but was not widely adhered to and still remains little more than an administrative policy due to the monopolies that exist within the media conglomerate. ---
**Author:** ![Xian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/71e660/32.png) [@Xian](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xian)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/26 "2010-06-20T14:24:52Z")
Dear Sir, how is Shi Guo Song currently regarded by the Shaolin temple ? Kind regards, Xian ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/27 "2010-06-21T13:59:39Z")
[QUOTE=Xian;1020933]Dear Sir, how is Shi Guo Song currently regarded by the Shaolin temple ? Kind regards, Xian[/QUOTE] Dear 5 years later. This room is empty. Use the other room at the end of the hall. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431/28 "2010-06-21T16:22:53Z")
I think Guosong is back in Oakland He was there for a spell, then he went to Canada, then I heard he returned. Honestly, I haven’t kept track. I can barely keep track of where I am day to day, much less the 40+ Shaolin graduates that are running around the S.F. Bay Area… [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/shaolin-busts-fake-monks-in-ca/31431.md?page=1)