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Hey fellas,

I just read something interesting over on the “MA and Christ” thread.

In response to someone’s post:

“Buddhism has now become something of an intellectual persuit, a popular religion amongst celebrities and college students”

Sharky wrote the following:

“I think you’re thinking of Scientology!!”

Then Anarcho replied:

“Scientology or drugs…”

Now, I happen to be a Scientologist and I happen to know for a fact that anyone who has really inspected Scientology, what it is and what it does, would never make comments like the above.

I used to have opinions like the above and worse, but then I decided to actually look and think for myself. And what I found impressed me (a cynic) enough that I chose to give it a try. And you know what? It worked. I kicked a long-time drug habit and ended up feeling better than I had since I was 5. Because of this, I continued to take advantage of Scientology services and found that Scientology actually has a great deal to offer in practically any area of one’s life. As impressive as my first gains were (including a 6 point IQ increase) everything I’ve done since has been increasingly more and more impressive.

I have no gripe with people making comments like the above, but for the fact that Scientology really has a lot to offer that actually does help people, and I’d hate to see someone miss out on this simply because of somebody’s uneducated prejudice.

Check it out for yourself, guys. You, like me, just might be very pleasantly surprised. And remember that you can’t always believe everything you read. Don’t just browse the internet. There ARE people in this world whose intentions are sometimes something less than simply keeping you informed, and those with the best intentions don’t necessarily know what they’re talking about.

And really the best way to learn about anything is to observe it first-hand. I could sit on this forum all day long and ask you guys questions about Kung Fu and browse around on the internet trying to find out about martial arts. But as has often been pointed out by able and intelligent people right here on this forum; the only REAL way I’m going to learn about Kung Fu is to “come on down and see it for yourself.”

Well, touche. At LEAST pick up a Scientology book and read it. And have fun. :slight_smile:

“Bruce Leroy. That’s who!”

[This message was edited by Bruce Leroy on 10-08-01 at 10:00 AM.]

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your name is the coolest. The movie “The Last Dragon” rules! :slight_smile:

DOH!!

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Check www.xenu.net

Then head over to 's pages, and make up your own mind.

Prediction: Leroy will make one or more of the following claims: I have been brainwashed, www.xenu.net is all lies and misrepresentations, psychiatry is evil, that Elron Hubbard was a saint, that all of the critics of just want to win money in suits against scientology OR are working for pharmaceutical, psychiatric, or other interests, OR are simply discontents, probably insane, who have left the church.

Plus, there are probably a dozen more that I’ll get hit with. If you’re at all interested, go to the pages I mentioned and make up your own mind.

Leroy, have you gotten rid of all your thetan clusters? How much money have you sunk into the cult?

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I suggest you type Scientology into your favorite search engine and check it out a little further. The scandals around Scientology would make Tammy Faye blush.

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Hmm. Are we talking about L. Ron Hubbard “Battlefield Earth” Scientology?

Err..no.

I’m glad you like your religion. But this has SO little to do with Kung Fu.

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theses the guys that conquered the “Cult Awareness” network?

I think they drove Cynthia Cisssenger(?) to bankruptcy, and then bought the Cult Awareness network out from under her, and now run it.

It’s like satan buying the catholic church, and useing it to tell every one he’s really god.

Actually, I “LOVE” Scientoligists, my favirite movie was “Battle field Earth”!!! And I have become a clear so many times I’m actually transparent now!!

“Chi is Chinese for Spinach”

Check out the Royal Dragon Web site

http://www.Royaldragon.4dw.com

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Tora: You’re right of course, but Leroy will be one-hundred percent convinced that all of that information is simply lies and misrepresentations. That is, unless he is part of one of the “reform” sects of (they are few) that admits past misdeeds but claims it’s all better now (not true).

I just want it on the record that I bear no animosity toward Leroy.

In any case, this discussion has no place on this board, and I’m surprised the moderators haven’t removed this thread.

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“Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They are called “body thetans”. On the advanced levels of Scientology a person “audits out” these body thetans telepathically by getting them to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this point if they have not done so already”

BWAHAHAHA!!!

TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER!

I am always amazed at how many people they get to buy into this crap…

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My thetan made me do it. :wink:

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Cough…cough…cult…oh, excuse me, pardon me.

I have to go, John Travolta is here to heal my crab infestation.

Regards

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whats with the blue contacts all the Scientologists I see on TV wear?

“You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting”
Spinning Backfist

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The fact is that Bruce Leroy found some benefits in Scientology and it seems to continue to help him improve his life. We should be cautioning him, yes, but ridiculing him, no. He is not proselytizing, merely stating the benefits Scientology has provided him. Most people would defend their religion if attacked and I do not fault him for this.

Having said that, I have had friends that are deeply steeped in Scientology. I found the religion controlling of their lives and, yes, that is cultish. Eventually, I was not even allowed to visit my friends on the Scientology grounds or off the grounds and I never said anything against the religion, they just couldn’t manipulate me like they could my friends. My friends’ lives did not improve, they went from nice girls to completely messed up because the religion always shows you what they decide are your problems and fill you with horror stories of how your life will end up if you do not pay “BIG BUCKS” to get ”CLEAR” ( “CLEAR” is Scientology jargon for spiritual advancement.). I know this for a fact because they tried it on me and I did not fall for it. Which is why I was no longer allowed on the grounds of their facility.

Scientology is clearly a cult and they attempt to control the lives of at least some of their members. I also have a problem with any religion that places conditions on their member’s opportunity to progress spiritually. Scientology charges ever-increasing amounts of money as one progresses through their programs. I believe that it is everyone’s God given right to progress spiritually and assistance should be provided free of charge. Otherwise the rich benefit and the poor get screwed just like in everything else in society.

It is well established that L. Ron Hubbard decided to start a religion to keep from paying taxes on his profits. That is why he spent the end of his life on a boat outside the U.S. territorial limits. They also have a legal team and enforcement squad to quell the complaints of former members and anti-cult organizations. No true religion needs an enforcement wing because the truth can stand on it own in the face of questioning. Falsehood will always eventually be revealed.

As a last comment, many of the philosophical aspects of my first MA (An eclectic Kung-Fu style) are related to some of the principles of Scientology. They do work and are of benefit to those who practice the principles diligently. It is not the principles I have a problem with, they do work, it is the way they are controlled and given only to those who can pay that I cannot abide.

Sincerely,

Scott

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Thank you, nightair. :slight_smile:

Scott, point taken. Thanks for the measure of defense. I find your experience strange and some of your facts aren’t quite right. But I respect your opinion and would be more than willing to discuss this with you via email.

Regarding the issue of free services, who is supposed to pay for the very real costs of training and counseling which require space and personnel at least? A free world would be wonderful but it simply doesn’t exist. I want to go to USC for free but tough.

jimmy,

What on Earth are you talking about?

As for the rest of you, you really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I wrote a very well thought out, friendly post, divulging a very personal part of my history. I attacked no one inspite of the fact that my religion was being attacked. And in response I get nothing but rudeness and childish tauntings.

The website mentioned is very interesting and very, oooh, controversial. It makes for humorous toilet reading. But again it isn’t what Scientology is and I repeat if you WANT to know what Scientology is, read a book or better yet, stop by one of our churches and take a tour – you’ll see for yourself what really goes on there. There is nothing strange or mystical about it – what you see is what you get despite what some people will have you believe.

Come on guys, every major movement, religious or otherwise, has been attacked. Especially when there are vested interests. Look at something as simple and uncontroversial as holistic healing or herbal remedies. How much has the AMA tried to suppress this? Scientology is relatively new so, of course, “scandals” abound. I understand you guys, because I used to buy the same black propaganda, but unlike you, I would never be so rude as to communicate it in the manner you have here.

The truth is Scientology is expanding at a rapid rate because it works in very real ways that have nothing to do with faith. I’m talking about drug-rehab, criminal rehabilitation, advances in literacy and education and real emotional relief and mental gain. Did you know our Volunteer Ministers were some of the only people allowed at ground zero in New York? They were there bringing physical, mental, and emotional relief to the firefighters and rescue workers. Two of my friends flew to N.Y. just to help. One of the firefighters gave a Volunteer Minister his own medal of honor after the minister applied a Scientology mental therapy process to him – the firefighter saying to him, “You guys are the real heroes.” I’m not talking out of my a$$ here. I know what I know because I have observed it for myself and nothing anyone can say can ever change that. Scientology has helped thousands of people, like myself. And it will continue to expand for this very reason, whether you like it or not.

The same search for self-improvement that led me to participate in the martial arts led me to Scientology, and the only reason I created this thread is for those of you who may be searching too. If so, check it out. I think you’ll like it. Otherwise, I wish you well and I’ll be chatting with you on other topics.

I won’t be responding to any more trollish remarks. Anyone with genuine questions or comments please feel free to email me. Check my profile for address. This is my last post on this thread.

As a final note: I know too many Scientologists who are highly intelligent, genuine, decent, hard-working people, many of whom volunteer their time to help people learn to read, get off drugs, counsel criminals, etc. They don’t deserve this kind of thoughtless disrespect. If you know enough Scientologists, then you know the above posts simply can’t be true. That’s what I came to realize when I decided to forgo my preconceptions and check it out for myself.

Good luck everybody and train hard! :slight_smile:

“Bruce Leroy. That’s who!”

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again i ask, whats with the blue contacts all the Scientologists I see on TV wear?

“You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting”
Spinning Backfist

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jimmy,

What on Earth are you talking about? Email me.

“Bruce Leroy. That’s who!”

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Scott, you may have read my post before I edited it to include your statements. Please re-read and email me with any further communication.

Sorry for the additional posts everyone. Timing problem. New posts put there while crafting last response.

“Bruce Leroy. That’s who!”

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Bruce Leroy,

I hope you wrote your response prior to reading my remarks. I supported your position even though I have real problems with the way your religion is run. And my opinions are from personal experience as well and not hearsay. I even validated the benefits of the Scientology program.

Sincerely,

Scott

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Bruce Leroy,

Indeed I did. Thanks for the heads up I will re-read it.

Sincerely,

Scott

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How much have you spent of “sessions”? Is it more or less than you spent on drugs?

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Shin,

I promised not to post anymore on this thread, but I want to answer your question. Please email me. Check my profile. :slight_smile:

“Bruce Leroy. That’s who!”