Yes, but you are stretching to say it is the same. The difference in emphasis is as great as between ballet and long distance running. Different ai priori assumptions, different training focus. Similar gross movements.
would you say they root somewhat when they punch?
REPLY: Using my jargon, no.
Depends on which deep stance you are in… There is more than just horse. :eek: The point of learning to move between stances is imortant because there is more than one. And if the deep stance is not rooted, than the student has failed to grasp just what the heck they are s’posed to be doing. There is no other practical purpose for deep stance work other than to learn rooting. As a side note:
It hsa everything to do with A) how well the root is held, B) how stiff thier footwork is, and C) wether their opponant is sensitive enough to spot a break in thier root and exploit it before the root can be re-attained.
Becca said:
“Depends on which deep stance you are in”
Reply: No it doesn’t. Any stance by nature of being deeper gives you better levers - the only thing that changes is the directions at which you are vulnerable.
Becca said:
“There is no other practical purpose for deep stance work other than to learn rooting.”
REPLY: This is not correct either. Deep postures and footwork facilitate most Shuai techniques and combinations. They have great utility in application, just not when you are standing across from your opponent. There are more uses too…
actually, it refers to all stances. And the horse hadn’t even crossed my mind. I was specifically thinking about a bow and arrow stance when I made that post.
and, like the b@stard said, there are multiple uses for deep stances.
I think I’m going to just change my name officially…
7* said “the lower your stance is, the wider your legs will be, typically”. This statement does make it directly matter which of the extreme low stances you are in. Your legs are in no wasy spred wide in twisted, cat or san shou… :rolleyes:
Becca said:
“There is no other practical purpose for deep stance work other than to learn rooting.”
REPLY: This is not correct either. Deep postures and footwork facilitate most Shuai techniques and combinations. They have great utility in application, just not when you are standing across from your opponent. There are more uses too…
Didn’t say they didn’t have lots of uses, but when talking to a grappler, you get your point across better if you put it in thier terms. 
BTW, there are more uses for rooting than while faced off. Every thing you listed uses the deep stances to teach rooting, as rooting is a major part of most things, from walking on ice to sertain chi gong techniques.
Becca, SEvenstar said:
"the lower your stance is, the wider your legs will be, typically. this means that you are ALOT easier to off balance - just in a different direction from your current strong point. "
The operative words being ‘typically’ and 'different direction. Seven is pretty well educated, so perhaps I inferred more than wa there but I doubt it. You interpeted him talking about a horse stance - he wasn’t. You also said:
“There is no other practical purpose for deep stance work other than to learn rooting.”
You said this because he was a grappler? How does that make sense?
Honestly, I just jumped in to help clarify some things that were incorrect coming from my perspective. They still are.
Oh, and I was using irony when I was talking about standing across from your opponent.
there are many stances involved in developing root, in my opinion, besides the basic horse, bow, twist, cat, kneeling, crane,etc. one of my favorite techniques for rooting is the mud sliding step used in ba gua, this way you are rooted and mobile at the same time.the weight is placed on the rear leg. the weight is not transfered to the lead foot until the body is over it and you are ready to pull the rear leg through. this way it is difficult to be swept, and your movements become more cat like.