this is just for sifu ross and anyone else who wishes to discuss lethal techniques if they exist and their effectiveness.
Sifu Ross plz refer to the post mike tyson cant box, I want you to tell me you opinions on this.
I’ve posted quite extensive responses on this on several threads here. GO READ THEM. If you can’t understand what I am saying, go to a reading comprehension class, really.
How many times have you used your so called deadly techniques? How many times have you done your damage to the glands under the arm? How many times have you killed with your leopard fist to the throat? How many times have you used your claw to cripple?
YOu THINK these things work but the truth is you don’t know. Because you have never done them.
If you rely on something you don’t know will work, you are in for problems my friend. And if you can’t block a hook it isnt’ going to matter anyway!
If you think I am a fake, you are dillusional
To mr ross, other than your own temporary suspention of reality, how do you know you skill are anything to measure up with or against?
Unlike others, I have seen you perform and all I can say is that your typing and grammer skills far outweigh any and all of your martial skills.
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Wong - I’ll reply to your post:
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I have read in a few recent posts numerous people have made statements like “people who believe you can apply kf are idiots”…
I can’t find these quotes of yours anyway. Where is it that people are saying these things?
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your level is so low all you can do is say he cant do it either.
That’s a valid criticism. But I believe what is being called for is examples of how you can “do it.” Ie. No one’s saying you can’t do it, they’re saying - ok, give me an example of when you did.
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If you look at the effort needed to apply the arm bar you could just as easily strike under the armit
That’s a good point too, and someting I’ve always wondered about. I personally would strike someone in the armpit rather than armbar them, but that’s just because that’s what I’ve proven to work for me. Looking at it from someone else’s viewpoint - they’re more comfortable doing an armbar, and they’ve certainly proven it works for them. So what’s the difference? Different strokes for different folks.
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if you can bend low and apply this i think you could easily apply a tiger claw to peoples ballss and twist.
I have to disagree with you there. Having been in that position a number of times, I can contest that it’s often alot easier and alot more natural to go for a low grab/takedown. Although frankly, I would avoid being in that position at all costs, regardless of where I go from there.
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i think you could apply a pak sao and gouge to the eye i mean you got two eyes 1 nose and i think its self explanatory.
On the other hand, the eyes are further up, further back, surrounded by solid bone, and alot more elastic than people think. An awkward blow (and let’s face it - in a real fight, things are rarely perfect) that would still break someone’s nose (and stun an ill-prepared fighter - which most people are) wouldn’t even scratch the eyes.
And to continue to play devil’s advocate - I can think of hundreds of situations where I would break someone’s nose, but not very many when I would try to blind someone.
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You guys are fucked in the head is all i can say . Soooorrry
This is what really made me want to reply to your post.
No wait, let me rephrase that. That is what really made me NOT want to reply to your post - because I don’t want to get dragged into one of the all-too-common pissing contests around here.
This is a discussion board, so by all means let’s discuss things and even disagree with one another.
But how does the need to post offensive and derogatory remarks come about?
No one has any need to defend themselves here - the results of verbal debates here are not going to change the history of your tradition or life.
If the discussion changes from being a constructive exchange of opinions to one of insults - simply do not reply.
I can’t believe this even has to be said to a group of people I assume are adults and are supposed to be schooled in self-discipline.
But frankly, it’s getting hard to read the good posts with all the nonsense that’s been going on. 
Please people, post your questions. Post your answers. Post critique. Post your opinions and experience. If you feel like attacking someone personally, if you are getting angry or taking someone else’s comments personally, just log off and train for a while.
I think I speak for everyone when I say I have alot more respect for the person who takes a verbal beating here and simply doesn’t reply.
Remember, the taller a tree grows, the lower it has to bow.
Cheers.
Sifu Ross,
Like I asked before. Why are you wasting your time here with these idiots?
Not everyone here mind you, just the horde of numbskulls who insist that everyone is fake unless approved by them. What gaul.
I’ve had a chance to train with his boxing brother for a little while. They are by no means fake. They know their kung fu. But, in the end it matters little. The mob will always continue to speak its absurdities.
All one can do is sit back and laugh.
Ah, now who’s the kiss-up?
I had to put a smiley with a winky or I knew you’d get upset. 
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Ha Ha very funny,
But its fact, I did train with Ventura. I’m not just speculating or just agreeing to a post. These guys know what they know.
People have alot of nerve, and are quick with the judgement. Like the whole wing lam issue, people make all kinds of assumptions without ever meeting the man. And yes, I’ve had seminar with him.
I was even born in the year of the monkey. As a rule we don’t get upset. We just get even REALLY well.
IMO
The most lethal techniques are good hard throws, especially on concrete.
Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned – Taiji Classics
braden excellent post, well said I have to agree that i did not know about the takedown vs groin twist that it is easier to take down but i will take your word for it and no i wouldnt wanna be down there either
I think water dragon also has a good point,
which was making me think about break falls. I figured if they say like they do that jujitsu was the ancient japanese art of the samurai and part of the unarmed combat was throws i thought when could you really imagine a samurai getting thrown or breakfalling I think it was more for use if they fell of their horse … any takes ?
Lethal Techniques? Just about every offensive move in Kung Fu is lethal, it just depends on how well you execute them. A sweep can cause someone to land directly on their coccyx, pinching the spinal cord and paralyzing them.
Ikfmdc
“How many times have you done your damage to the glands under the arm?”
Punching the nerve or glands at the joint of the arm is actually not lethal, and at the most it will hurt some. All it does is slow or weaken your punches so they are not as forceful, 
Underaged Drunken Monkey
Wong,
If you’ve ever done any hard sparring with people who like to throw, you probably already know how many throws end up not so picture perfect. I think breakfalls would be really good in that type of situation.
If some one gets a really good throw on you though, yeah it aint doin’ ya no good.
The deadly hook punch heh! If you are so fearful of boxing and believe in your kickboxing then why do you claim lineage diciple and sole inheritorship to an art that is supposedly way beyond that and deadly. Or is the art you teach only a cover for kickboxing and wrestling. You boys speak from such experience of course from all your amature and professional boxing and kickboxing matches you’ve had. Lets not forget the death matches. I know it’s hard for us to fully understand the toughness of you long Island bruisers. Stop dictating to others whats deadly or not but of course I could be wrong and you do know how deadly you are don’t you.
Gojira,
A faceless, nameless internet personality talking badly about me, OH I AM HURT
NOT
If you have any questions about my skill, you are in NY (the only part of your profile filled out!) and can come on down.
To the rest, if you truly believe you are deadly and can use all these deadly skills then whatever I say should have no effect upon you. Your excitement and resentment demonstrate your own insecurities about whether your techniques will actually work.
There are no deadly techniques, just deadly people.
DEADLY techs??? I heard of many…but like SIFU ROSS says unless you spar with it competently how do you know it works??? Did you have a willing victim??? Most people die in fights from having the double impact…they get hit…they then hit the ground…the impact to the head from the fist to the concrete…brain swelling…die…
Regarding strikes to the eye and throat…yes they hurt…and against a very very poor cardio out of shape 12 year old and under it may KILL!!!
" A faceless, nameless entity" Hmmmmmm that was amazing you have just put a name to your technique. Listen my boy and listen good, I reiterate, I have seen you perform and all I have to say is the YOU ABSOLUTELY SUCK!!
You strut around here like the cock on the walk thinking that your are the best at what you do, and on one level you are, you write the longest and most inane posts I have ever seen. When you perform that is when most people decide to go to the bathroom or have a hotdog. I have been there Finster (babyface get it huh LOL) I have seen you. Real good martial technique…
NOT!!!
That is why I am digusted with tourneys today, no talented kickboxers fighting and doing forms that look like shit. No flavor in their technique. I have seen so call Wing Chun stylist abandon their studies to fight like girls, pawing and kicking at each other.
You sir (but sounds like cur) are no better. You brag about having 200 student/fighters and all this and that yet you find the time to post these bore session on the net. (hey if you really type that fast I could use a desk person to take reservations)
Come on man please get over it and yourself I know your history and past embarrasments on this very board and if you do not recall none of this (selective memory) then I’m sure others will recall them.
As for me, go down to your place…for what so that when I come and disgrace you in your own school you can run and change the story around. Naw I have better things, like training, to do.
Sit down and look within, look back on all the thing you have done to ahem get where you are today and if you are really honest with yourself…you’ll come up lacking.
As for Sifu Abel…no beef, no comment, never seen you do your thing and respect you for what you have done and said here but to take up with the likes of Ross ( I will not suffer the ultimate indignity and call him Sifu) just lowers yourself.
a jrcsterism (those who know me this is a shout out to y’all)
Ross is nothing but a straga!!! LOL
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Yawn…
you are the one who has no name and talks tough from behind the keyboard. You really want to fight me? No excuses please, video tape it and we can give the tape to anyone who wants. We can have witnesses. But we both know you would rather lurk and talk trash.
You are going to humiliate me, that is your claim. So come and do it. And we’ll have witnesses and video tape so you can prove it.
You learned very well from your sifu, challenge someone then back out with many excuses. you want to look tough but you have no substance.
My school’s victories are well documented and people all up and down the east coast have seen them fighting. I’ve trained champions in fighting, in forms and in weapons. Obviously I know what I am doing. Not to mention very famous and respected masters have given me thumbs up many times. NACMAF ranked me the #4 forms player only behind Hung Stewart, Doc Fai Wong’s son, and Daniel Tomazaki. But I suppose you know much better LOL!
I laugh at you because you are pathetic.
Hung Stewart, excellant Hung Fut.
Daniel Tomazaki, Excellant Choy Lay Fut.
Jason Wong??? Choy Lay Fut??? 
Je Lei Sifu 
You laugh, because you’re scared. No other reason. You laugh so you can chase those little butterflies away. You acknowledge my posts because in the little folds you call a brain you know there is someone out there that knows you for the jackass and the fraud you really are.
Who cares what/who you trained, I just said that you make yourself bigger than what you are.
As for me fighting you, ha you nothing but a small program that cannot afford any commercials.
Again I have seen you compete and perform and to use the first word of your last post…YAWN.
As for me knowing a lot better…I DO.
I know that you are a pathetic excuse for a man, a teacher, and a human being.
You talk all the trash you want Finster, just remember WE KNOW…