# Question about Fook Sau **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [October 11, 2001, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515 "2001-10-11T19:47:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 11:44am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/41 "2001-11-05T11:44:44Z")
yuenfan Does his post not remind you of that song by Neil Diamond… “Long Fellow Serenade”. If you know the words, you’ll know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/42 "2001-11-05T13:21:53Z")
buijeedawg Sorry to say this but your fook sau is all fooked up?(i know oldie but a goodie).Since you are a devoted follower of CRCA methods I will not even attempt to explain how wrong your usage of fook sau is.Assuming you perform it the way you and Tapman describe. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 1:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/43 "2001-11-05T13:32:42Z")
Long fellow serenade? Dont know that one! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/44 "2001-11-05T14:45:46Z")
What is CRCA? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/45 "2001-11-05T22:34:16Z")
CRCA=Randy Williams ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/46 "2001-11-05T23:47:56Z")
CRCA Hello, Yuan Fen is correct about this being affiliated with Randy Williams. CRCA=Close Range Combat Academy Correct me if I am wrong 😉 Peace, Dave ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/47 "2001-11-05T23:50:23Z")
CRCA Everyone has an opinion. It’s not a matter of right or wrong. It’s all about if your interpretation works for you!!That’s what makes Wing Chun so beautiful. That’s the issue that we have with most cats on these forumns. You are so quick to make out of place comments about CRCA and Sifu Williams. It’s all pointless. Just remember that when you criticize, you point the finger. And when you point the finger, you forget that you have three pointing back at you! Why don’t you try to contribute to the advancement of the system versus expending energy on pointless remarks about Sifu Williams?? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 4:45am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/48 "2001-11-08T04:45:19Z")
buijeedawg You are right about senseless critisismbut I havent read any about RW under this topic(havent read evrypost though so may be wrong) However you have a very closed mind yourself.WC is not just about interpretation.While there is no right or wrong there is most definatly a poor better best scale when looking at the application of a technique.The fook sau you describe has several very clear and obvious weaknesses.It is sad that you care more about randy’s reputaion than your own WC but that is your choice. Pointing to poor usage is not an attack on Randy or anyone else poor is poor.One should seek to understand,correct and improve not blindly defend. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/49 "2001-11-08T05:11:12Z")
BiujeeDawg Hello, Just so you are aware, I have not downgraded anything concerning Randy Williams nor the CRCA. I also believe that this topic has progressed without degenerating to that level as well. Your profile could be misinterpretted or construed in a negative manner. You state that you are here, actually you spelled it hear 😉 “I am a faithful practioner of CRCA Wing Chun. I am hear to attempt to set them straight on all CRCA related comments.” Please realize that each system/lineage/method is only as good or bad as those that practice it. For some one way may work better than for someone else. Each lineage has examples of those who can make it work for them, otherwise people would not take those systems, for the most part anyway. My suggestion is to let personalities and opinions stay out of discussions. Discuss the merits of the method not the merits of the individual. Oh, BTW, I introduced a guy to Wing Chun and he now trains and teaches in Bloomsburg under Randy Williams. His name is Bob Tomano, so I don’t have any axe to grind with you or other members of the CRCA. Still, when one leaves the discussion about the “system” and moves into personalities problems can occur. Peace, Dave ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 10:44am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/50 "2001-11-08T10:44:49Z")
Perhaps, if you CRCA guys didn’t try to shove “CRCA” down our throats, you wouldn’t encounter such resistance. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 12:02am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/51 "2001-11-09T00:02:01Z")
Thanks Sihing73 - It’s a never ending battle!!! Sihing73 – Thank you for your wise words. My comments were not directed at one particular person. There are a few folks out there who find it justifiable to validate their WC by cutting down others. I agree totally with your point that individuals and opinions should be removed from the forum. But almost once a month for the past year, Sifu Williams name is mentioned on a forum. I haven’t seen other practioners mentioned You are doing an excellent job in moderating. Great Job! Perhaps fellows such as Whipping Hand could take time out to learn from you. I appreciate your approach. Here’s a posting that Mr. Whipping Hand posted in July: Whipping Hand Member posted 07-26-01 11:18 PM It is obvious by this letter… … that Randy Williams sucks. Hunt1 – I am not going to begin a battle of words with you. However, you apparently haven’t read every posting on this site nor should you. No, Sifu Williams wasn’t criticize in this posting. BUT MY POINT IS WHY BRING HIS NAME UP. Your point about interpretation is your own. I respect that. Please try to refrain from value judgements such as stating that “I am closed minded”. Please respect my interpretation as I respect yours. I believe that’s the purpose of this forum. Please remember the old saying, One man’s junk is another’s treasure. Respect EVERY INDIVIDUAL! What works for me may not work for you and vice versa. So, your poor, better, best scale is individually defined which is my point. CRCA Wing Chun is our interpretation that we use to expand our own WC. Please respect it!! Question- How would you feel if people started making public comments about your teacher that weren’t true or justified? Who is your teacher? Whipping Hand – No one is trying to shove anything down your throat. You don’t have to buy the videos or books. It’s a choice. What’s your beef with CRCA? What’s the cause of your view? How would you feel if someone started making comments about your teacher in the public forum? Who is your teacher? Nam myoho renge kyo ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2001, 12:51am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/52 "2001-11-10T00:51:30Z")
buijeedawg I have had several teachers,some for years some for a few days.The reason is I found that I never believed that my Sifu had all the answers.I found questions that required more information so I always seek out more knowledge.The first person to authorize me to teach was Samuel Kwok since then others have done so but since he was first I stay within his framework.However the WC I use personally and at times teach is not necessarily the same. Again I want to point out the my criticism is that the technique’s you mention have obvious flaws.They are poor by any definition.When someone would point out a poor technique to me I would learn the technique their way and then use it.The truth becomes clear.If you were here I could easily show you what is wrong with the Fook Sau you use. Make fun of my teachers it doesnt matter to me .A good student should grow beyond his teacher not be limited by the teachers limitations. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2001, 3:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/53 "2001-11-11T15:55:13Z")
“What’s your beef with CRCA? What’s the cause of your view? How would you feel if someone started making comments about your teacher in the public forum?” My beef with CRCA? People, such as yourself, whining and sobbing about what others are saying about your leader. The cause of my view? People, such as yourself, whining and sobbing about what others are saying about your leader. Comments about my teacher? I would dishonor him if ever I were to defend him. I’ve never seen your leader, never purchased his books or videos… The only encounter I’ve had with CRCA is in reading the whining posts, by his followers, on this forum. And in doing so, you’ve left a poor impression. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2001, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/54 "2001-11-11T16:07:11Z")
not as bad an impression you’ve left on your sifu, whippy. All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2001, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/55 "2001-11-11T22:08:28Z")
Hunt & Whipping Hand Hunt1 - It’s never been my approach to make fun of another teachers. To do such would put me in the same league as Mr. Whipping Hand. That’s not my style. Thanks for sharing with me who your teacher is. Where is your school located? Due to the relative possibility of you showing me the flaws. Can you tell me where the flaws are in the fook sau that I use? I would be quite interested in knowing your view. Thanks. Whipping Hand - Interesting response, my friend. It appears that your life condition is causing you much frustration. If you are open to friendly advice, YOU SHOULD LOOK WITHIN ALITTLE MORE. What makes you upset about CRCA could be something that you are missing in your life and training. You have invested alot of negative energy towards a person that you have never met. You are quite entitled to your opinions and views. Just keep it out of the public forum. As far as our postings to defend our teacher, I am so sorry to hear that you don’t have the same respect for your teacher. So, Who is your teacher??? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/56 "2001-11-12T05:25:19Z")
BiuJeeDawg Thank you for the formula analysis… Your WC must be very technique based, huh? [This message was edited by Whipping Hand on 11-12-01 at 12:35 PM.] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:20am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515/57 "2001-11-12T06:20:12Z")
Return to the topic please Hello, I am a bit dissappointed in the way this topic is progressing. It seems to be the same old thing with slights and insults abounding. I will ask everyone to return to the topic at hand and leave the personal differences outside. If this is not possible then I will be closing this topic. As always anyone wishing to discuss this is free to e-mail me. I can be reached at either of the following: [sihing73@juno.com](mailto:sihing73@juno.com) [dmcknight@rcn.com](mailto:dmcknight@rcn.com) Move forward please :o Peace, Dave [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/question-about-fook-sau/3515.md?page=2)