Puny, Ugly, Weak Europeans Compared to Dignified, Tall, Strong Native Warriors

[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1299910]And yes. The white people took more and more as they grew in population.

This history of ours is no different than say the history of other Nation of different ethnicities. Aside from Native Americas are here. I don’t know very much about other nations wonderful actions to those not like themselves. I do know some. One or 2 periods very well of a specific area.

Fact is. Almost any nation of size can, could and has been deemed Imperialistic. Everyone ! In fact for some reason it seems to escape those focused on my predominated racial make up that other nations are also doing this as I type. We are not alone just the current poster boy.[/QUOTE]

ming dynasty china was technologically equal to Europeans and explored African coast but did not engage in imperialist policies.

to conquer other people simply for the sake of it, is a bestial and demonic idea. this had never before occurred in human history.

to exterminate a people and repopulate their territories with your own, comes from hearts of demons. this had never before occurred in human history.

[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1299897]Actively resisting what Bawang ?[/QUOTE]

total cultural, economic, genetic oblivion.

[QUOTE=MarathonTmatt;1299912]the story of the human race.[/QUOTE]

if you gaze straight into the pages of European history you would see many exceptions. people do almost universally acknowledge the exceptional positive sides, but not the dark sides.

evolution and natural selection is not linear. likewise, progression in history is not linear.

if anyone truly believes current powers are just like previous, that empires are natural, then understand also that by this logic IT IS MERELY YOUR TURN and the ancient peoples of the old world count in eons, and no deeds are left forgotten or repaid.

to accept your past and current place in empire is to also accept your FUTURE in it and the future of your offspring and legacy. at best, the boers in the shantytowns of south africa. at worst, the skeletons in the desert of the tarim basin.

[QUOTE=bawang;1299916]if you gaze straight into the pages of European history you would see many exceptions. people do almost universally acknowledge the exceptional positive sides, but not the dark sides.

evolution and natural selection is not linear. likewise, progression in history is not linear.

if anyone truly believes current powers are just like previous, that empires are natural, then understand also that by this logic IT IS MERELY YOUR TURN and the ancient peoples of the old world count in eons, and no deeds are left forgotten or repaid.

to accept your past and current place in empire is to also accept your FUTURE in it and the future of your offspring and legacy. at best, the boers in the shantytowns of south africa. at worst, the skeletons in the desert of the tarim basin.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I should not be so compliant with my attitude than. You are absolutely 100% correct-- Empire is not a natural thing at all- they are imposed. Usually very violently. Certainly against the will of others. I have always considered myself less of an “industrialist” and more of an “indigenous.”

Whenever someone brings up politics, my reaction these days is to just be compliant and not make a big fuss. After all in the grand scheme, if I pull myself into that world, into that arena, than what am I anyway? I am no-one, nada, just a mere pauper or peasant lifting stones around in the woods, taking stones from an old abandoned quarry site and hauling them up-hill to a ledge to build monuments/ structures in the same way some of my ancestors did. That giant standing stone I erected might as well be a giant middle finger. One thing that I will not ever lose is my strength, my dignity and my morality, my compassion for life. I will always keep my Spirit strong.

Nobody here is setting government policy. I am concerned that Trump will weaken environmental policy. He already has. I am concerned that they will bomb the sh1t out of the Middle East. Somewhere down the line probably more conflict on western grounds will break out. I love the land I live on. When it comes to politics and policies set forth by the government, I tend to not get all political. It is way over my head. War machines, 99 red balloons, all that.

I never argue about politics. There is not point to it. I’ve heard of families broken up because one side is Democrat and the other is Republican. Which is really stupid. As much as the two parties pretend to be different, they are two fingers attached to the same hand. All we see are the tips of the fingers above the tabletop. If I get caught up in the bickering, then I will be trapped in the illusion and the ‘mob’ mentality.

As for Trump or Hillary, I’ve stated before that I don’t like either one of them. Now that Trump is president, I hope his run will be better than expected. I really do. Not because I like him, but because if it doesn’t go well, this country will be F’d up badly. It’s in our best interest to hope it goes well. But I’m under no illusion that he’s a savior from the status quo of Washington, DC. Trump’s hands aren’t clean, either, and in spite of his age and wealth, his ego is that of an 11 year old. In fact, I’ve known 11 year-olds who display more emotional maturity and are more ‘together’ than Trump. If some little girl in Kansas wrote Trump a letter saying he sucks, you can be certain Trump would be tweeting about it ASAP, attacking the girl, her parents, calling it a conspiracy against him, and would probably demand their incarceration. Anyway, any changes Trump will effect in DC is, ultimately, what he is ALLOWED to effect. “Beyond a mountain is a higher mountain”.

And don’t get me started on Hillary.

Sorry for the rant and for going OT. That’s all I will say on politics. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Jimbo;1299934]I never argue about politics. There is not point to it. I’ve heard of families broken up because one side is Democrat and the other is Republican. Which is really stupid. As much as the two parties pretend to be different, they are two fingers attached to the same hand. All we see are the tips of the fingers above the tabletop. If I get caught up in the bickering, then I will be trapped in the illusion and the ‘mob’ mentality.

As for Trump or Hillary, I’ve stated before that I don’t like either one of them. Now that Trump is president, I hope his run will be better than expected. I really do. Not because I like him, but because if it doesn’t go well, this country will be F’d up badly. It’s in our best interest to hope it goes well. But I’m under no illusion that he’s a savior from the status quo of Washington, DC. Trump’s hands aren’t clean, either, and in spite of his age and wealth, his ego is that of an 11 year old. In fact, I’ve known 11 year-olds who display more emotional maturity and are more ‘together’ than Trump. If some little girl in Kansas wrote Trump a letter saying he sucks, you can be certain Trump would be tweeting about it ASAP, attacking the girl, her parents, calling it a conspiracy against him, and would probably demand their incarceration. Anyway, any changes Trump will effect in DC is, ultimately, what he is ALLOWED to effect. “Beyond a mountain is a higher mountain”.

And don’t get me started on Hillary.

Sorry for the rant and for going OT. That’s all I will say on politics. :)[/QUOTE]

Everything about this thread is OT Jimbo, from early histories of Long Island to the origins of grapefruits, to giants, the incorporation of Washington DC and Donald Trump.

Very well said post. I feel the same way you do as far as politics goes!

[QUOTE=bawang;1299915]ming dynasty china was technologically equal to Europeans and explored African coast but did not engage in imperialist policies.

to conquer other people simply for the sake of it, is a bestial and demonic idea. this had never before occurred in human history.

to exterminate a people and repopulate their territories with your own, comes from hearts of demons. this had never before occurred in human history.

total cultural, economic, genetic oblivion.[/QUOTE]

No wonder you got kicked out. You were bringing down the statistical average for intelligence . Im sure not all but many many Asians are extremely intelligent. Generally they are statistical leaders of that pack.

You simply are not one of them.

Anyway Bawang. Ive always loved your tenacity. Sometimes you are one funny ****ing dude. I have a tip to share with you. Most white people do not hate Asians anymore. None of you ever looked the same to me. Neither do black folks either but hat may just be me. Lets not forget we were once sort of friends. What happened after had zero do with any of us.

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675037798_General-Pick_first-stilwell-road-convoy_accepting-a-banner_entering-a-city

I am white. I am proud to be white. I have no issue with anyone being proud who they are or what their heritage is. We are all proud. Talk of exterminating white folks with me is not appreciated. And I can be real mean towards others races as well which make me feel not so great when I admire another person or their race. China makes the cut ! So does Japan. Loads more for one reason or another. But I am also American. And very proud of our past too. So, for me. My country is more important than another’s. Violently so if need be. But all our countries have periods of horrible acts of violence and genocide. Some even their own people but from a different region or religion. If you grew you invaded and took land and resources from the people of that land. Killed loads of the men and banged the women and essentially or did so, breed out ( not really possible) the other.

Now you are in the USA. Coming from where you did I have no doubts you followed legal method of entry. And aside from having very opinionated and still youthful views of heritage and possibly still clinging to nationality. Hey , if you want to live here and be American. Be that ! Our flag is called Old Glory. That will be your flag to if you are American. I hope you will be one day if you are not yet. That is your choice and there may come a time you have to decide.

Until then. Smile and go talk to so white dudes and makes some friends. Talk to the ladies if you don’t have one yet. If you do. I suggest avoiding that beyond platonic ideals. I messed that up and I wish I had not. Your choice !

Enjoy !

[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1299965]
We are all proud. Talk of exterminating white folks with me is not appreciated. And I can be real mean towards others races as well which make me feel not so great when I admire another person or their race. China makes the cut ! So does Japan. Loads more for one reason or another. But I am also American. And very proud of our past too. So, for me. My country is more important than another’s. Violently so if need be. But all our countries have periods of horrible acts of violence and genocide. Some even their own people but from a different region or religion.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for saying this billy. We are Americans. A lot of us are mixed and inter-related, sometimes even in un-expected ways. As for who threw the first stone in the Middle East. Some people say it is as far back as the Crusades 1,000 years ago. I would actually go back thousands of years further. For instance dynastic times in Egypt had conflicts in that general region over 2,500 years ago and what-not (the Hyksos.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

As for modern times I would actually point my finger more at Israel than at the United States. The land that they have taken from the Palestinians is the dictionary definition of genocide. They only have a sliver of their land left compared to in 1948. I am certainly not anti-semetic in saying this either. Just looking at the facts. I have Jewish friends throughout my whole life and get along with Jewish people wonderfully. The problem is, there is something wrong with some of our world leaders. At home and abroad. This has happened throughout history with all people.

With that said, I view the three people of the book this way: they are more political ideologies more than anything. Not always the case but there is enough of a problem within all those religions (the same thing could be said of certain sects of Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) Anyway there is V 1.0, V 2.0, and V 3.0. I would rather die a warrior fighting for my freedoms and way of life than accepting, or living under, the Shariah Law. In the United States at least, we are free to exercise certain freedoms and liberties, such as gun ownership (gun ownership in rural areas should not be equated with urban gun violence). I think there are positive and spiritual aspects of Judaism. There are positive and spiritual aspects of Christianity. There are positive and spiritual aspects of Islam. There is beauty in all three. I could go to Morocco and have a great experience, go to Israel and have a great experience, heck, even visit the Vatican and have a great experience (well, maybe). But there are also factions of poisonous ideologies in all three. I enjoy reading about stories of Jesus of Nazareth as well as stories from the Old Testament such as Ezekial. I also like learning about Isis and Horus from the Egyptian mythos. Thor and Odin of the Scandinavian mythology. Lou of the Strong Right Hand from the ancient British Isles. Glooscape of the Algonquian world view.

In ending, I would say imposing one’s culture or way of life over another’s is wrong. While the idea of America being the land of the free and home of the brave is alluring, a lot of Americans are not aware of their place in the world in a perplexing manner. Ancient cultural stone ruins that are national treasures on the island of Hawaii, their counterparts are destroyed and developed over in the continental United States. There is a lot of grid-lock in the cities, the concrete jungle. How many millions on Long Island know the ancient histories of the very place they live (or anyplace for that matter, including rural areas.) We should not accept tyranny in any form, we should not impose our will on others in any form. Regular people are all okay. Many world leaders need to grow up. There is where you will find your demonic element. Lots of people drinking Kool-Aid too. What is animating a lifeless object and making it burn elements/ resources, to the detriment of the environment (the natural world, the organic life of the earth) called, if not black magic. I just described the use of automobiles and modern machinery. In the US, the republicans blocked the Supreme Court nominee of the Democrat’s for a whole year. Now, to get the Republicans back, the Democrats are holding things up for Trump’s cabinet. These are all people who want to be “winners.” I think winning and losing are religious ideological beliefs that somebody imposed into people’s minds. If I lived another day, drank water and ate food, was in good health, did I win or lose anything? No, I simply lived in the moment. Anyway, this is all one epic rant. I probably ****ed a few people off somewhere. Oh well. Grow up. Do not be a tyrant. Do not impose your will upon others.

Another article on giants:

https://atrueott.wordpress.com/forbidden-archeology/

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1871411-ancient-race-of-white-giants-described-in-native-legends-from-many-tribes/

[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1299965]Anyway Bawang. Ive always loved your tenacity. Sometimes you are one funny ****ing dude. I have a tip to share with you. Most white people do not hate Asians anymore. None of you ever looked the same to me. Neither do black folks either but hat may just be me. Lets not forget we were once sort of friends. What happened after had zero do with any of us.

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675037798_General-Pick_first-stilwell-road-convoy_accepting-a-banner_entering-a-city

I am white. I am proud to be white. I have no issue with anyone being proud who they are or what their heritage is. We are all proud. Talk of exterminating white folks with me is not appreciated. And I can be real mean towards others races as well which make me feel not so great when I admire another person or their race. China makes the cut ! So does Japan. Loads more for one reason or another. But I am also American. And very proud of our past too. So, for me. My country is more important than another’s. Violently so if need be. But all our countries have periods of horrible acts of violence and genocide. Some even their own people but from a different region or religion. If you grew you invaded and took land and resources from the people of that land. Killed loads of the men and banged the women and essentially or did so, breed out ( not really possible) the other.

Now you are in the USA. Coming from where you did I have no doubts you followed legal method of entry. And aside from having very opinionated and still youthful views of heritage and possibly still clinging to nationality. Hey , if you want to live here and be American. Be that ! Our flag is called Old Glory. That will be your flag to if you are American. I hope you will be one day if you are not yet. That is your choice and there may come a time you have to decide.

Until then. Smile and go talk to so white dudes and makes some friends. Talk to the ladies if you don’t have one yet. If you do. I suggest avoiding that beyond platonic ideals. I messed that up and I wish I had not. Your choice !

Enjoy ![/QUOTE]

I stopped being friendly after u said u don’t train any actual kung fu and was looking for free online coaching.

I love white people, I have a white friend, I even let him use my toilet. you are not a normal white person. anybody that doesn’t train kung fu on a kung fu forum obviously has some serious mental issues and often RACIST issues and I knew right away just mentioning race would get you into a frenzy. when u got mad way back all I did was type white people and just seeing the word white set u off.

and whats all this paranoia about extermination, nobody said anything about that, something devilish is in ur mind.

Glad to see you are back in participation mode.

You are in fact correct. You never wrote that. I flipped the words. MY mistake.

I am glad you have one white friend and love white people now.

I see your point about a non kung fu guy here. If you mean the time I took you up on your push up program. Yes, thank you. But let us assume then I have very serious mental issues as you suggest and this is what you have known and or believed all along. And you response and action to it was again ? LMFAO. Buddy you are seriously American material. I love it ! OMG he is great ! LMFAO. Keep that can of Lysol right next to the toilet for after his white friend uses the toilet. LMFAO. Bawang, you are the best dude !

Im not paranoid actually. That does seem to be a problem in the media lately .

Anyway, I don’t care bash white dudes all you like. Im married to a Mexican because I don’t get along with white chicks at all . Again, I direct you to the media. OMG did you see those bimbos marching. OMG. RUN dudes. Not that I don’t agree with their beliefs but man those chicks are out crazy. I want no part of them.
Why do you think Trump marries from other countries. My father married an Okinawan. There is something wrong with our American women.

Anyway, if you want to believe I am a racist nothing I can do can change that. But please don’t judge all white people you now love as racist based on your beliefs of me.

Thanks Bawang.

Enjoy.

edit. Most of the women I have been lucky enough to share time with were of other ethnicities than my own to be clear. But they were all Americans not that that is important ladies. Just saying.

And there are also 5 sub forums that are not specific kung fu forums. Again, just saying.

Its cool if you don’t like me. Just say so. I don’t care. Heck I told at least one other person on this forum that is my feelings about them. I did not beat around the bush. I also upheld my agreement with him.

[QUOTE=Jimbo;1299999]http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1871411-ancient-race-of-white-giants-described-in-native-legends-from-many-tribes/[/QUOTE]

News to me. Thanks Jimbo. We don’t need any giants walking around. Basketball players are scary enough.

[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1300001]

Anyway, I don’t care bash white dudes all you like. Im married to a Mexican because I don’t get along with white chicks at all . [/QUOTE]

LOL
sdfsdfsd

Giants, the Little People & Human Occupancy Reflections

[QUOTE=Jimbo;1299999]http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1871411-ancient-race-of-white-giants-described-in-native-legends-from-many-tribes/[/QUOTE]

Nice article Jimbo. There is a lot that people don’t know yet and that is true all over the world. Take for instance how long it has been said that the America’s have been inhabited. Most people think that it has only been since 12,000 years ago. That isn’t even true. In Pennsylvania state (USA), there is a site called the MeadowCroft Rockshelter Site. There is evidence of human habitation/ occupancy at that site going back 15,000-16,000 years ago. So obviously there were people living there and in other places thousands of years before they could have crossed over the glacial ice sheets 12,000 years ago. Based on that and other evidence I would say that the America’s have been inhabited for at least 30,000-50,000 years, and maybe even longer than that. Since “time immemorial.” It is a sad thing to see that people’s perception of history could be so elementary and backwards. This is also true for people’s perceptions of human origins/evolution, and therefore the perception of themselves (unfortunately at a low level- but what can ya do).

As far as giants goes. That is an interesting article. I would recommend the book “Red Earth, White Lies” by Vine Deloria Jr. He gets a lot into the mega-flora and especially of interest, the mega-fauna of the ancient past. For instance, giant beavers of North America. Some of which lived up until surprisingly recent times (last 1,000 years or so.) Also, some of what we consider to be “dinosaurs” could just be mega-fauna. Giant turtles, birds, reptiles, etc. Actually, even into colonial times in the west, there are accounts and incidents of giant snakes that tribes on the plains could not penetrate it’s scales with an arrow. The same arrow points that could kill a huge bison/buffalo in one swift blow couldn’t even puncture the scales of these snakes/reptiles with multiple blows. Actually, here is a lecture by Vine Deloria Jr., “The World We Used To Live In” (titled after another of his books.) - https://youtu.be/QOL0Gm22Jy0 - what he refers to as “plestocene- like animals.” He starts talking about it around 22 mins. in. I have seen things with my own eyes- like the features of crocodiles carved out of boulders, but in the backwoods of Massachusetts. According to academia such animals haven’t existed in that region for at least hundreds of thousands of years. Unless we are talking about an reptile that was kept like a pet by somebody thousands of years ago that was acquired through a trade network, that wouldn’t surprise me either.

As far as human giants. Us modern people don’t get to judge so critically, or poo-poo such things so easily imo. Differences of the oxygen levels and air molecules in the atmosphere in ancient times was different, more primordial. This explains the mega-flora and mega-fauna, and it may even explain that some of our ancestors were giants. I see these giants, if it is true, as our ancestors. Perhaps we were cut down to size like everything else was. Fern plants used to grow 30 ft. high, now they grow up to my knees! Maybe even up to the earliest of colonial times, this gene wasn’t too uncommon to see a 6’7" Native warrior or even a 7’0" ancestor. This gene still obviously exists, but is probably a recessive gene, much more rare these days, such as someone the size of Shaquille O’Neil, today one in a million. These days, 6’5" is really tall, even I am taller than most at 6’3".

I suppose I have something else to add. There is a strong tradition of Little People too. Again, all over the world, remains have been found in Indonesia. In the New England area, these people were referred to as Makiawisug in Algonquian dialect. here is an article about them- http://www.native-languages.org/makiawisug.htm . Their leader at one time was a benevolent spirit, Granny Squannit- http://www.native-languages.org/squannit.htm I will let you in on a very big truth. It is true that they once existed, I have physical proof of it. And, I suspect that they still do exist but do not make themselves known so easily. I have a stone club of one of the Little People. It is the same stone club a human our size would have had, which I have seen examples of, except this stone club was smaller, fit for the size of a GI Joe doll or some such. I really do believe it is a relic of the Little People. It was an interesting-looking stone I picked up on the side of a trail. Of course, if you ever come across something like that, make sure you always offer something up in exchange! (a copper penny, tobacco, sage, a nail, whatever along those lines you have on hand.) That is all I will say about the Little People, I have probably said too much already.

A Tale of Granny Squannit & the Little People

Since the cat is out of the bag about the Little People, and staying in the theme of the last post, here is a traditional Mohegan tale concerning Great Granny Squannit. Just click on the link below. Also note the theme/ portrayal of the traditions of rocks/stone/quartz, even underground beehive chambers, associated with the Little People, which is brought up through the telling of this oral tradition (written down for preservation purposes):

http://mohegan.nsn.us/heritage/our-stories/makiawisug

Another Thought On Gigantism

I realize I left out some thoughts on gigantism when I was tackling that issue a couple posts up.

The moon has an influence on the tides and water in general, even women’s moon cycles, so as you can see, the moon has an influence on all life on Earth. Even baby turtles that hatch from their shells walk towards the biggest source of light in the night-time- the moon. That is why artificial street/building lights are so threatening to some wildlife. But anyway. There are other heavenly bodies that influence life on the planet. Obviously the sun, the source of all life on Earth. But even to the naked eye, some of the other planets can be seen in the night sky, such as Venus (the light, or “son” of the morning star, in other words, Lucifer, later turned into the Christian boogey-man by the zealot church fathers) and Jupiter. Here is a wiki article on Jupiter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter The mythology of Jupiter and the fact that it was the god of the Romans is interesting. I have even heard that the tradition of earrings/ wedding rings/ etc. has something to do with the rings of Jupiter (or Saturn?) if one digs deep enough into the matter (that you are listening to your god, to get married before your god, etc). Anyway in the northern hemisphere I have been noticing Jupiter in the night sky for a while now. In fact, once the sun goes down it is the brightest object in the night sky other than the moon, quite visible, especially in the foothills.

So as we can see, heavenly bodies (other planets, stars) influence all life on Earth. It could be that in a different by-gone age, what the Hindu traditions may refer to as a previous “Yuga” cycle for instance (although other cultures tracked time just as expertly, such as the Mayan calendars and their roughly 24,000 year cycles) , the influences of the solar system had a different effect on the bearing of the Earth as they do now in our times.

Mary Joyce: “Cherokee Little People Were Real”

The presence of Little People in North America is spread through all the country (at least many parts.) Here is a lecture by historian/ journalist Mary Joyce about the Little People in the Appalachian territory of the Carolina’s. She has interviewed local “old timers” who had seen first-hand the tunnels and structures made by the Little People, some of which is now destroyed. The video is from YouTube, the link is here:

https://youtu.be/ojUrLjYZZAU

PS- It is the bad medicine of the white man, or the modern society at large, which has driven the Little People into such hiding, further obscuring their presence. I reckon 99.9% of people will never see evidence that they even exist (or be privy to their existence).