Progress in Bulking Cycle

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Ford,

Your workout seems similar to mine… I guess I was doing German Volume training without even knowing it… :o

Your eating plan is very similar to mine as well, although I’m restricting my calorie intake right now (to around 1800 - 2100/day) as I’m trying to lean out. I guess I’m doing something right for once!

Suntzu,

I hear you man. I had a really hard time with eating as many times a day as well. That is until I started planning my meals out a week in advance! :eek: These days I actually write out a schedule of meals for each day of the week that I try to follow.
This forces me to go to the grocery store once a week to stock up on food. And I prepare a lot of the meals in advance on Sunday evenings. Once you get used to the routine it’s not that bad…

KG

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I have ADD when it come to food too… but I get better when it comes close to fight day… that last 2 weeks I’m pretty good… but that because I usually snack on MR bars and salads and such… and being sooo focused on the fight(s) help me with my self-control… but right now… i have none… but a candy bar in my face i’m killin it…

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Sun,

I hear ya, man. I’m on the verge of insanity right now from the eating plan and can’t wait until it’s over. Dietting is without a doubt, the hardest part of the whole thing.

KG,

Good to hear you’re getting results from it too. Good luck with the restricted calorie dietting. I’m dreading that part.

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Originally posted by Arhat of Fury
[B]Sorry Ford, i dont beleive you. Theres no way someone can put on close to 30 LBS of muscle in 8-10 weeks(even if some fat came with it.. Hell, the human body can only gain 12-15lbS of muscle in a year. Unless your using steroids, its not scientifically possible.

This sounds like one of those BS “magical” weightgainer commercials.

[/B]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Are you serious? What would be his motivation for lying about his gains? Where did you get the 12-15lbs in a year statistic from?

IronFist

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I’ve had the vanilla N large, and it really wasn’t to bad. It really reminds me of something, I’m just not sure what it is. It’s almost kind of, ‘cake-y’. Things I liked about the N large is that it’s not overly thick like a lot of shakes. It’s also easy to mix, and It didn’t leave the sludge in my blender.

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inic,

I’m in Boston too (Waltham right off Rt20), so if you really don’t believe it, you are welcome to drop by, and I can show you pictures of what I looked like in August/September. The change is obvious even with all my clothes on. (I won’t take my clothes off for you unless you buy me dinner and movie first)

A quick search on google on theories of muscle hypertrophy should be sufficient to explain how it works theoretically. It’s 5:30 and I’m outta here. :wink:

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Hey, I looked for the N-Large shakes today when I was at GNC (booooo). They had only like 5g of fat or something per serving, right? And I think 54g of protein? That’s a lot of carbs in the shake… did they fill you up? Or do they just spike your blood sugar so you get hungry again in an hour?

Anyway, it was like $30 for 11 servings, or 22 servings if you only use half a serving. That’s a bit expensive, but I might try them if you recommend them. Did you mix it with water or milk? They had chocolate and vanilla… which is better?

IronFist

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Ford:

 Many thanks for the info!

 Cheese Dog
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Iron,

That’s why I use them sparingly. Two full servings accounts for close to 2/3’s of my carb intake for the day. Those prices you listed are pretty expensive though. I pay $40 for a 10-pound jug that has 28 full servings. I usually only do halves so that’s 56 servings.

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I think this is the cheapest you’ll find the N large. At least that’s the cheapest I found it. When I got mine at GNC a while back I got hosed too. 29.99 for the small one. They might try and screw you with the shipping on the site aboce. If so, I’d try here Those are the best prices I could find.

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Ford, you didn’t answer my which flavor is better question :slight_smile:

Qi dup thanks for the link.

IronFist

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It’s a toss up between Vanilla and Chocolate. I got the wildberry once and that was just disgusting. I usually get vanilla.

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Iron, I honestly have no idea what the motivation would be to tell fibs.

30LBS of muscle in 8-10weeks naturally. Lets just sit here and say that for a minute. aahhh

Bodybuilders who are juicin are lucky if they gain that weight during a heavy cycle(stack)
If you that was the case, steroids would be used far less in numerous sports.

Pick any bodybuilding/journal/almanac and you will read that the 12-15LBs is absolutely true. Remeber-consider the source.

Ford Perfect, if you did gain 30LBs of muscle in 8-10weeks(give or take a couple of pounds of fat) you should really contact twinlab or eas beacause you truly are a scientifical miracle. You would get paid bucks for endorsements.Especially being an ectomorph. I was bodybuilding for about 10 years straight-religously and all the books ,journals, almanacs or even magazines has never claimed this to happen natuarally.

Peace

AOF

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Arhat,

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. The gains I’ve made (twice now in as many years) are nothing special or out of the ordinary. To think they are shows quite a bit of ignorance on your part.

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Ford,
Fair enough, im not into ****ing contests, so I will agree to disagree.
Good luck with your training!

AOF

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30LBS of muscle in 8-10weeks naturally. Lets just sit here and say that for a minute. aahhh

Ok, let’s sit here and think about it instead.

30lbs in 10 weeks. That’s 3lbs per week. That’s a surplus of 10,500 calories per week (3500 calories per pound x 3lbs per week). That’s 1,500 extra (unused) calories per day. What’s so unbelievable about getting 1,500 extra calories per day?

Once again, that math goes like this:

30lbs / 10 weeks = 3lbs per week gain

3500 calories per pound x 3lbs per week = 10,500 calories per week

10,500 calories per week / 7 days per week = 1,500 extra calories per day.

Now that we’ve proved that it’s biologically possible to add 3lbs per week with a good diet, let’s move on.

Pick any bodybuilding/journal/almanac and you will read that the 12-15LBs is absolutely true. Remeber-consider the source.

What is a bodybuilding almanac? How about you ignore what the media says about bodybuilding. A better source is biology books. If you listen to the media, then you might think that the routines you see listed in Muscle Media actually work for normal (not using steroids) people. You might even think that the bodybuilders they feature in those magazines actually write the articles themselves.

Ford Perfect, if you did gain 30LBs of muscle in 8-10weeks(give or take a couple of pounds of fat) you should really contact twinlab or eas beacause you truly are a scientifical miracle.

Or he should be proud of himself because he has an excellent grasp on both diet and training.

And finally, I don’t see where he said all 30lbs of it was muscle. Even if 20lbs of it was muscle and 10lbs was fat, it would still be excellent progress.

Thanks for playing.

IronFist

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Iron, all you have proved is that it works mathematically not biologically. Your body will not absorb and assimilate all the food you eat. You have to factor in what your body discards. secondly, what are basing those figures on, how would you know at what rate ford perfect’s body asimilates at or at what rate he burns calories. Again, you have proved mathematically it works but not biologically. 3rd ly, with all do respect- it is obvious your knowledge is from books and not practice. Go to the gym, talk to a couple of natural pro’s and talk to some juiceheads and workout for about 10-15yrs religously and then form a hypothesis.

Agree to disagree.

Good luck fellas.

Arhat of Fury

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AoF,

I’m not trying to be a jerk here.

Iron, all you have proved is that it works mathematically not biologically. Your body will not absorb and assimilate all the food you eat.

Um, yes it does. This is why people gain weight

You have to factor in what your body discards.

It discards metabolized food. One the nutrients and stuff are taken out and stored or burned, you go to the bathroom and expel what’s left. You will not be crapping out food that still has caloric value left.

secondly, what are basing those figures on, how would you know at what rate ford perfect’s body asimilates at or at what rate he burns calories.

Listen. I didn’t say he has to eat 1500 calories per day. I said he needed to eat 1500 extra (meaning “unused”) calories per day. Regardless of his metabolic rate or anything else, he needed at least 1500 unburnt calories at the end of each day.

Again, you have proved mathematically it works but not biologically. 3rd ly, with all do respect- it is obvious your knowledge is from books and not practice.

:rolleyes:

Go to the gym, talk to a couple of natural pro’s and talk to some juiceheads and workout for about 10-15yrs religously and then form a hypothesis.

Are you kidding me? I know people who have gained 40-60lbs in one 12 week cycle. These are exceptional results, but the people who did it were very knowledgable and knew what they were doing before they started. Now realize that once you come off the juice you won’t still keep the 40-60lbs that you gained. But that doesn’t mean it’s not possible to do so.

So instead of still arguing, how about you answer this:

In the above example with Ford eating 1500 UNUSED calories per day, for 10 weeks, if he can’t gain 30lbs, what happens to the calories? Since they’re a surplus, they don’t get burned, and according to you they don’t get stored, so what happens?

IronFist

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mass building

The absorbtion of your caloric intake differs greatly depending on how many times per day you eat ( be it a meal replacement shake or actual food ). This argument about the numbers game is really a waste of time. Metabolisms differ from person to person, therefore no single mass building/ losing diet works the same for everyone. Those with high metabolisms should eat at least 5 times a day a meal that consists of both carbohydrates and protein. Water intake is a factor too. Counting the calories alone is not enough, and you must consider what is making them up. If your metabolism is very high, you can eat a very large meal indeed, but the body will simply burn off or dump the excess calories, and unless you eat in another 3 hours, it will begin tapping into the muscles’ reserve store of proteins and nutrients, resulting in a catabolic effect. Gaining comes slow for those with high metabolisms, and easy with those with low ones. It also depends on wether or not your are underweight, or already overweight. Your body will go to great lengths to remain as close to its natural, genetic size as possible. If you are underweight, you can gain the weight back very quickly ( up to ten pounds a week ). The closer you get to your genetic maximum weight, the harder it is to gain.

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absorbing calories

sorry to post yet another reply, but i wanted to make a comment about the dispelling of unused calories. Peoples’ absorbtion of food differs greatly also. Some suffer from malabsorbtion, due to factors like crohns disease, intestinal mucus, and lack of digestive stomache enzymes. People with this problem can indeed, have a lot of food pass completely through the digestive system, and be dispelled along with most of its nutrients. It just “goes right through” them. Differing from person to person, it is difficult to tell exactly what percentage of a food’s nutrients is being absorbed by the intestinal walls at a given time. Stool analysis is one way to find out. If you really want to show proof of your “1500 excess calories” theory, start saving your stool in small doggie bags. Personally, I would rather keep things simple and and look at it this way:
When I’m hungry, I eat food. If I’m trying to gain mass, I eat lots of it, even when I’m not hungry. If you go hungry for too long, you will not gain weight. Put down the calculator and start eating.