Literally it is translated as 72 Earth Demons’fist
In Chinese mythology, the star constallations are divided into many ways. One of them is the 108 constallations (sound familiat?) which is consisted of 2 major systems - 36 Tin Gong (Haven)and 72 Day Sark (Earth). They also each represent a warrior who was killed in action during an epic war between the Shang and Chow dynasties. Many great souls were killed during that war. In order to “calm” the spirits, they were honored as gods (or guidien spirits). The title of the form simply borrowed (like a metaphor) to show the many ground fighting tech. Bak Mei.
Fire Hawk,
Nice post. BTW, the list of Sigung’s son is mixed with weapons as well. They are not all hand forms in this list.
Well I admire your ability to cut and past lists of sets from other peoples websites. Now that you have listed the sets from Sifu CS Tang and others what exactly is your question? Or have you just listed the names of the sets for discussion?
I forgot to list these forms from a old magazine on Pak Mei White Eyebrow and Bok Fu Pai
Pak Mei White Eyebrow and Bok Fu Pai forms from a old magazine.
Gic Boe Kuen
18 Devils Claw
Chinese Eagle Claw Ten Hook Attack Fist
Dragon s Shadow/Devils Bridge
Fae Sat Kuen
Ting Gong Kuen
Long Ying Kuen
Sap Jee Kuen
Fu Hak Kuen
Man Jee Kuen
White Hair s Fist
Two Drunken Kuen
White Tiger Exciting The Forest
The Pak Mei that I learn comes from Vietnam. The hand forms in my school are:-
Jik Bo
Sei Mah Lin Wan (four horse continuos, unique to Vietnam lineage)
Tan Ging
Sek Si
Sum Moon
Sei Moon Bat Gwa
Ying Jow Lin Kiu
Gau Bo Toi
Sap Bat Mor Kiu
Mang Fu Chut Lum
Here is another set of Vietnamese Bak Mei forms from another school. Notice they link their advanced forms to the classical five animals of Shaolin.
Beginner:
Jik Bo
Sek Si
Siu Sum Mun
Dai Sum Mun
Sei Mah Lin Wan
Intermediate:
Cau Ma or “excellent horseman”
Tan Ging
Day Sart
Turtle hidden under lotus leaf
Advance:
Gau Bo Toi (dragon)
3 attacks (crane)
Sap Bart Mor Kiu (snake)
Mang Fu Chut Lum (tiger)
Master:
leopard form
Seong ging “the double force”
Ng Harng
apparently 3-4 more forms
Just bought a collection of “Secrets of Kungfu & Real Kung Fu” from 1970’s. Wow cool stuff.
Here’s some form info:
Kok Chun Yau (son of Kok Chi Cheung student of Cheung Lai Chuen)Forms:
Chick Bo - straight steps
sam mun - 3 dimension
sup chi - cross set
ying jau lin kiu - eagle claw bridge hand
sze mun pak kua kuen - 4 dimension 8 diagram
ng ying kuen - 5 smilitude
kou bo tui - 9 step pushing
sup bat mo kiu - 18 bridge hand
fu bo mo kiu tiger step bridge hand (created by kok chun yau)
weapons:
chun lan kwan - mid legnth pole
ng heng kwan - 5 element pole
ng ma kwei cho kwan - 5 horses homing pole
harrow
9 ring broadsword,
bench
spear
3 secional cudgel
Yen Chien Kuang (learned from Chang Ping Lin eldest son of Chang Li chuan/Cheung Lai Chuen)
Chih bu - straight step
chiu bu tuie - 9 step push
shih pa mu - 18 rubbing form
meng hu chu lin - fierce tiger leaves jungle
Wu hang mu - 5 element rubbing
(boy they sure had lousy translations back then some mandarin other cantonese/I think).
Hand forms :
Sup ji (cross Set)
Bat Gwa (8 Trigrams)
Chat Dim Mui Fa (7 Point Plum Blossom)
Fa Bao (Flower Leopard)
Fu Bo (Tiger Step)
dei sat
Gau Bo Tui
Sup bat Mo Kiu
Weapons :
Fei Fung Dan Dou
Fei Fung Seung Do
Dai Long Gwun
Does Eddie Chong do Futsan Bak Mei, I only know it is from Master Lau Siu Leong from guangzhou brought it with him in 1965 to Futsan.
In chinese it is Hua Bao (literally Flower Leopard/Panther), however in english you could change flowery panther to fanciful panther I guess. I tend to use direct translations so that the chinese is kept in tact.
i think 7 point plum blossum is dragon style too, maybe from clc or lyg? Well there is a lot of Mei Hua and Hua Quan in LY so it is possible to be from one or another but given the sharing amongst these two it would be typical.
interesting. Are you referring to the Ng Fa Pow(5 flower leopard) form of Ying Jow Pai?(I’m not sure if it is originally a Ying Yow form or borrowed from another style).
[QUOTE=ngokfei;17357]Just bought a collection of “Secrets of Kungfu & Real Kung Fu” from 1970’s. Wow cool stuff.
Here’s some form info:
Yen Chien Kuang (learned from Chang Ping Lin eldest son of Chang Li chuan/Cheung Lai Chuen)
Chih bu - straight step
chiu bu tuie - 9 step push
shih pa mu - 18 rubbing form
meng hu chu lin - fierce tiger leaves jungle
Wu hang mu - 5 element rubbing
(boy they sure had lousy translations back then some mandarin other cantonese/I think).
Does anyone know why only a few schools claim 5 element Rubbing/Ng hang Mor?
Also, the schools that do have this form place it with the advanced forms and I’m wondering why more school don’t have it. Anybody have any history on this form?
Mantis108,
If you’re still around, can I ask you if you ever learned this form from Chow Fook? I think I remember you saying that he was your sifu. Please pardon me if I’m mistaken.
[QUOTE=FIRE HAWK;17347]Chow Fook Pak Mei hand Forms
The Forms of Pak Mei
Elementary Stage:
Chik Bo (Straight Steps)
Shek Sze Sap Gee (Cross Set)
Chuk Sup Yee Day Shat (72 Earth Ghost Set)
Sam Mun Chuen (3 Gates Punch/Group Fighting Set)
Siu Sham Mun (Little 3 Gates)
Intermediate Stage
Gau Bo Tui (9 Step Push )
Sam Mun Ba Gua (Three Gates Eight Diagrams)
Ying Jow Nim Kiu (Eagle Claw Linking Arms)
Higher Stage
Say Mun Ba Gua (Four Gates Eight Diagrams)
Dan Jin (Single Power)
Sup Bart More Kiu (18 Arms Contact)
Master Stage.
Mount Foo Chui Lum (Fierce Tiger Comes Out From Forest Set)
Ng Hong More (Five Elements Contact)
Cheung Lai Chungs sons Pak mei Hand Forms
Elementary Grade
Chik Bo Biu Tse Kuen
Sap Gee Kau Da Kuen
Sam Mun Tsui
Tai Chun Kwan
Ying Jow Nim Kiu Kuen
Intermediate Grade
Gau Bo Tui Kuen
Ching Loan Kim
Say Mun Bart Gwa Kuen
Tit Till Kuen
Sin Far Bo Dun
Jui Wan Lau Yip Cern Doe
Dui chart Kwan
Day Sark Kuen
Advanced Grade
Sup Bart Mor Kiu Kuen
Ng Hang Chung Lan Kwan
Wiu Wan Cern Gwai
Chi Lim Kuen
For Day Sam Cha Dai Pa
Fate Fung Cern Doe
Mount Foo Chui Lum Kuen
2 man sparring
Ching Loan Yim Yuet Doe
10 Fong Tin Gig
11 Yuen Bean
EDDIE CHONGs Six Pak Mei Forms
Sub Jee
7 Point Plum Flower
Fancy Panther
18 Ghost Bridge
9 Step Push
Tiger Step Movements
Other Pak Mei forms
6 Step Push
9 Step Push
12 Step Push
Sifu Toddy Lau
Jet Bow
Gum Gong
Sarm Moon Bak Tze
Sub Jee Moy Far
Ying Jow
I dont know what the names of the Vietnam Pak Mei forms are.[/QUOTE] I have seen around ten of these sets live at my school and know two jik bo and sup gee can some one translate this old list into english?.
It occurs to me that if you learn sets the way I’ve been taught them, call it old school or if you like ‘properly’ I will have to live to see my 743’d birthday to have learned this many.
I know this is an old post but does any one have any info on the mentioned sifu Toddy Lau and/or the 5 forms listed under him. These 5 forms are from my lineage and I would like to find out more.
which is consisted of 2 major systems - 36 Tin Gong (Haven)and 72 Day Sark (Earth). They also each represent a warrior who was killed in action during an epic war between the Shang and Chow dynasties. Many great souls were killed during that war. In order to “calm” the spirits, they were honored as gods (or guidien spirits). The title of the form simply borrowed (like a metaphor) to show the many ground fighting tech. Bak Mei.