# OT: The Culture of Corruption Will be the Death of China **URL:** \ **Category:** Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 26, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749 "2008-11-26T21:53:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/21 "2008-11-27T16:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=SimonM;898095]I know that a thread about government corruption may not seem particularly… surprising. However the situation in China is spiralling out of control. Beijing needs to clamp down on it. And they know it too. Problem is that Beijing’s method has been by finding expendable big-wigs (such this guy and the mayor of shanghai) and saccrificing them without tackling the systemic issues that allow things like this to happen.[/QUOTE] Its always been like that in China, it may be more public now, sign of the times that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![SimonM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/simonm/32/535_2.png) [@SimonM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SimonM)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/22 "2008-11-27T16:25:55Z")
It fluxuates in China. It’s reaching a head now. The stability of Beijing and the ability of the CCP to maintain the mandate will depend on how they handle the problem. ---
**Author:** ![WinterPalm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a3d4f5/32.png) [@WinterPalm](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/WinterPalm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/23 "2008-11-27T17:21:53Z")
I prefer to say that scumbags are running the show rather than point out any one skin colour designation. I’m white, I resent people always saying white people are running everything and doing so much evil. I’m not running anything. I’m not corrupt…maybe a little evil?🆒 I think the same standard should apply…you can’t say black people are all welfare bum criminals…so why can you say white people are to blame for all this? The Chinese example shows that it has nothing to do with skin colour, but rather the nature of some people to be corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/24 "2008-11-27T18:00:00Z")
not “some” people. There are no people that are not subject to corruption. In fact, many of our corruptions we are wholly unaware of because they are not deemed to be so. It is in our nature and a survival instinct to allow for corruption to further our own goals as individuals. I would say that there are “some” people who are not corrupt as opposed to “some” who are. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![diego](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/diego/32/124_2.png) [@diego](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/diego)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/25 "2008-11-27T21:36:44Z")
[QUOTE=Kansuke;898019]Do you not know how to spell, or did you just really change the topic?[/QUOTE] you’re stupid, buddy got his head cut off I bet he goes to triad strip clubs…there it’s on topic.😛 ---
**Author:** ![diego](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/diego/32/124_2.png) [@diego](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/diego)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/26 "2008-11-27T21:39:25Z")
[QUOTE=WinterPalm;898116]I prefer to say that scumbags are running the show rather than point out any one skin colour designation. I’m white, I resent people always saying white people are running everything and doing so much evil. I’m not running anything. I’m not corrupt…maybe a little evil?🆒 I think the same standard should apply…you can’t say black people are all welfare bum criminals…so why can you say white people are to blame for all this? The Chinese example shows that it has nothing to do with skin colour, but rather the nature of some people to be corrupt.[/QUOTE] dude look at our courts and city hall’s it’s all white people in ceo positions since the first thanksgiving…other scumbags are taking over but history is a very small thing…there only been 40 something american presidents you can trace most of our ghettoes to white people. and spaniards but the brits and yanks won…it is what it is, we are going to see more rwanda’s as it continues to change. this is all very on topic. ---
**Author:** ![diego](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/diego/32/124_2.png) [@diego](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/diego)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/27 "2008-11-27T21:42:17Z")
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;898121]not “some” people. There are no people that are not subject to corruption. In fact, many of our corruptions we are wholly unaware of because they are not deemed to be so. It is in our nature and a survival instinct to allow for corruption to further our own goals as individuals. I would say that there are “some” people who are not corrupt as opposed to “some” who are. :)[/QUOTE] okay people are people, but territory is something else. My people white people control the territories. we drop bombs as we wish. and have fun doing it too. I also have native people so I’m not too happy about it. I DIDN’T SAY NORTH AMERICAN MULTICULTURAL PEOPLE WITH WHITE SKIN. I said white people. Personnally, I’d like to give a big shout out to all of the half breeds out there…yall taking over!!:eek: ---
**Author:** ![SimonM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/simonm/32/535_2.png) [@SimonM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SimonM)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/28 "2008-11-27T22:02:21Z")
[QUOTE=diego;898155]you’re stupid, buddy got his head cut off I bet he goes to triad strip clubs…there it’s on topic.:p[/QUOTE] A few things: 1. When I said heads would roll I was being metaphoric, not literal. Most likely he was killed by a single gunshot administered either to the base of the skull from behind or to the heart as this is the standard method of execution in China at this time. 2. He was executed by the Chinese government. 3. He was executed, this is important, for taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies in exchange for licensing medicines that had not been properly tested for consumer safety. 4. The likely covert reason for his execution is the preponderance of food and medicine related scandals that have rocked China over the last two years. These include (but are not limited to): Toxic red dye in duck eggs. Melamine in baby formula. Melamine in animal feed. Melamine in other, miscellaneous, dairy products. Brake fluid in toothpaste. Unsafe medicine. Now, please allow me to be clear about another thing: [b][i]In all of these cases there is absolutely no indication that there was any involvement of Triads. Every one of these cases involved simple malfeasance on behalf of otherwise legitimate businesspeople and allegations of corruption within the food and drug administration who took bribes to look the other way. Although there may be Triad involvement with some corrupt politicians in China they are not a major player in the food and medicine industries. Nor are they major players in the land development issues or natural resource management issues that mark two other areas China has major problems in with regards to corruption. Furthermore this is not and never should be percieved as an issue of ethnicity. It is related to the current socio-economic conditions present within the nation of the People’s Republic of China at this time.[/i][/b] I hope this helps to clarify what is on topic. If you are in further doubt you can read the article I linked to in the first post. [Oh, and this just came down the pipe today…](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7751747.stm) ---
**Author:** ![bawang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bawang/32/3554_2.png) [@bawang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bawang)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/29 "2008-11-27T22:21:04Z")
every time corruption is rampant new dynasty comes. china will survive and live on. when china was mongolfied in yuan dynasty they revived everything, now its is westernized but things will be revived. nothing against western culture just that people in china dont have the moral code and self control because of lack of culture and religion and identity ---
**Author:** ![SimonM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/simonm/32/535_2.png) [@SimonM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SimonM)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/30 "2008-11-27T22:25:55Z")
Spoken like somebody who has never been to China or spoken to a Chinese person. China has quite a lot of culture. More than most places in fact. Culture does not necessarily entail the culture that is familliar to us as outsiders but rather entails the system of traditions, beliefs, mores, norms and behaviors that characterize a cohesive identity. Anyone who has spent time with a Chinese family can see these cultural dynamics in action as plain as day. Likewise China is religiously diverse, being home to everything from avowed athiests to religious ascetics of many different stripes. The constitution of China recognizes Buddhism, Taoism and Islam as religions that have official sanction. Finally Chinese people have a powerful and complex sense of identity. Sometimes this can be a source of great strength. Other times it can be part of the problem as part of the Chinese national identity is an awareness both that the nation has suffered from colonialism and a belief that it should not have been so weak that it would. To be blunt the strength of the Chinese national identity made me more aware of how poorly we Canadians have defined our national identity. ---
**Author:** ![diego](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/diego/32/124_2.png) [@diego](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/diego)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/31 "2008-11-27T22:30:14Z")
[QUOTE=SimonM;898161]A few things: 1. When I said heads would roll I was being metaphoric, not literal. Most likely he was killed by a single gunshot administered either to the base of the skull from behind or to the heart as this is the standard method of execution in China at this time. 2. He was executed by the Chinese government. 3. He was executed, this is important, for taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies in exchange for licensing medicines that had not been properly tested for consumer safety. 4. The likely covert reason for his execution is the preponderance of food and medicine related scandals that have rocked China over the last two years. These include (but are not limited to): Toxic red dye in duck eggs. Melamine in baby formula. Melamine in animal feed. Melamine in other, miscellaneous, dairy products. Brake fluid in toothpaste. Unsafe medicine. Now, please allow me to be clear about another thing: [b][i]In all of these cases there is absolutely no indication that there was any involvement of Triads. Every one of these cases involved simple malfeasance on behalf of otherwise legitimate businesspeople and allegations of corruption within the food and drug administration who took bribes to look the other way. Although there may be Triad involvement with some corrupt politicians in China they are not a major player in the food and medicine industries. Nor are they major players in the land development issues or natural resource management issues that mark two other areas China has major problems in with regards to corruption. Furthermore this is not and never should be percieved as an issue of ethnicity. It is related to the current socio-economic conditions present within the nation of the People’s Republic of China at this time.[/i][/b] I hope this helps to clarify what is on topic. If you are in further doubt you can read the article I linked to in the first post. [Oh, and this just came down the pipe today…](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7751747.stm)[/QUOTE] dude i made a \*\*\*\*ing comment…yall are derailing the thread… anyway dude looks like a shmuck and anyone who takes bribes is godless and would do business with criminals. crickets ---
**Author:** ![bawang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bawang/32/3554_2.png) [@bawang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bawang)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/32 "2008-11-27T22:31:09Z")
wrong suck my nuts ---
**Author:** ![bawang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bawang/32/3554_2.png) [@bawang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bawang)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/33 "2008-11-27T22:32:32Z")
[QUOTE=SimonM;898164]Spoken like somebody who has never been to China or spoken to a Chinese person.[/QUOTE] is that directed to me simon u know im chinese right lol in response to ur edit, what u said is probably true a few years ago, things are changing ---
**Author:** ![SimonM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/simonm/32/535_2.png) [@SimonM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SimonM)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/34 "2008-11-27T22:37:06Z")
😉 And so I also know you know that I speak truth. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bawang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bawang/32/3554_2.png) [@bawang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bawang)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/35 "2008-11-27T22:56:45Z")
you say “China has quite a lot of culture. More than most places in fact.” but your title is “The culture of corruption will be the death of china” i think u contradict urself ---
**Author:** ![Kansuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@Kansuke](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Kansuke)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/36 "2008-11-28T04:42:28Z")
[QUOTE=diego;898155]you’re stupid, buddy got his head cut off I bet he goes to triad strip clubs…there it’s on topic.:p[/QUOTE] Who’s stupid? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kansuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@Kansuke](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Kansuke)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/37 "2008-11-28T04:48:21Z")
[QUOTE=bawang;898163] people in china dont have the moral code and self control because of lack of culture and religion and identity[/QUOTE] What the hell is that supposed to mean? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![jo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@jo1](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/jo1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/38 "2008-11-28T04:58:54Z")
Maybe we should behead a few corporate types over here. - jo ---
**Author:** ![bawang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bawang/32/3554_2.png) [@bawang](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bawang)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:52am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/39 "2008-11-28T07:52:18Z")
[QUOTE=Kansuke;898202]What the hell is that supposed to mean? :eek:[/QUOTE] hi , i dont think its hard to understand, cultural revolution takes away religion and culture, deng xiaoping reforms reintroduce money and profit but now theres no moral in people to check against greed and corruption, more recent times sex drugs and bad music just going downhill ---
**Author:** ![Kansuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@Kansuke](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Kansuke)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749/40 "2008-11-28T08:11:33Z")
Only everything about your ridiculous comment. Obviously folks in China (like people everywhere) have religion, culture, self-control, morality, and identity. Try to resist the urge to be such a drama queen and you won’t be as likely to make unfortunate comments like those above. [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/ot-the-culture-of-corruption-will-be-the-death-of-china/44749.md?page=3)